Some time ago I read part of an article that said you can’t trust any thoughts you have between 11:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m.; I apparently didn’t retain what the reason was for this, but I think it was something about your brain being in the wrong mode for rational thought.

I find that information is sometimes helpful and sometimes not. Sometimes if I am awake at 2:30 in the morning and my brain wants to do a circuit loop of How We’d Escape in a Fire, or What If One of the Children is a Sociopath, I can say to my brain firmly: “No no, now, it is 2:30 in the morning and we know very well that we don’t have rational conversations at that time of the night, so let’s just go to sleep and not think about that right this minute,” and sometimes I do indeed then stop thinking about it and go to sleep.

Other times, like last night and this morning, it doesn’t work: first I lay awake late with stressy thoughts; then I woke up early with stressy thoughts. I doubt you will be surprised to hear that they were primarily house/move-related. So many of the things I’m stressed about will get worked out naturally and in good time, but there I was at 4:30 in the morning wondering where we were going to put the seldom-used bathroom items now that we wouldn’t have a closet in the bathroom. My god. Who cares. We will find a place at a time when we are not supposed to be SLEEPING.

On another topic, I would like to recommend a wig:

(image from Amazon.com)

Elizabeth and I were invited to a Halloween party, and I didn’t really want to buy a costume for it, but I knew from previous years that all the other adults would be wearing not just costumes but FULL-ON costumes, so I wanted to do SOMETHING. And since “jaw-length cotton-candy-pink with bangs” is one of my restless mid-life ideas for my own actual hair, this seemed like a low-pressure way to try out that look. It cost $16 and the reviews were not only good but SURPRISED-good, like “I didn’t think this could be any good for $16, but now it’s one of my best/favorite wigs” and so on. Also, lots of reviewers posted photos of themselves in the wigs—unfortunately not in the pink one, but in other colors, and that was useful for getting an idea of what it looked like in real life.

It was a little itchy and warm as I understand most wigs are, but I too was surprised by how good it was. It took some study to figure out how to put it on the first time, but then it wasn’t hard. I startled Paul very severely by just strolling into the kitchen wearing it. He said it looked exactly as if I’d had my hair cut and dyed, and he just couldn’t figure out how I’d done so in the twenty minutes since he’d last seen me. Then he couldn’t figure out how I’d gotten all of my hair under it: I have below-the-shoulders, fairly thick hair. (It gets tucked under the wig at the top of the neck, which gives the back of the wig more apparent volume.)

I wore it to the party and it was fine for the whole several-hours of driving and being there. I was glad to take it off at the end of the evening, but I didn’t suffer while it was on. I am now considering buying it in blue, violet, and/or dark brown. I am also considering various colors as holiday/birthday gifts for other people: I have several people on my list I like to give fun/unusual gifts to. I am no longer considering dyeing my own actual hair pink: it was nice to be able to go back to normal, and I felt as if the pink would have looked better with more make-up than I like to wear.

One of the many reasons I hate phone calls is that “making the phone call” doesn’t typically mean I get to cross “make the phone call” off my list, and there are few things more discouraging. Recent examples:

1. I called a hardwood-floor-refinishing place on Monday morning. “Great!,” they said. “One of our workman will give you a call back to set it up!” Nothing Monday. Nothing Tuesday. Nothing Wednesday. Nothing yet this morning. How long am I supposed to wait before I MAKE THE SAME PHONE CALL AGAIN?

2. A doctor says they want to set something up; the office will call us to do so. Then they say “But if you don’t hear from us in a week, CALL!” Why is it that SO EXTREMELY OFTEN I do in fact need to call? Why is it up to the PATIENT to track that the doctor’s staff is doing as they’re supposed to do? How about THIS: how about the DOCTOR do that, or else HIRE someone to do that, instead of asking PATIENTS to do that?

3. Or right now I’m waiting because the only way to get an appointment at the big city hospital is for THEM to call YOU, and we have TWICE heard from other medical people that Elizabeth needs a follow-up and that the hospital will call us—but they have not called us. Now what? I’ll have to call the people who assured us that the hospital would call us. Then we’ll have TWO entities wasting their time because someone isn’t doing what they’re supposed to do.

As long as I am venting, I will tell you I am frustrated because we are trying to have propane delivered, and the propane company needs someone to meet them at the house so they can handle the pilot light, but they cannot give me any estimate of when they will be there, no estimate at all, not even a four-hour window. The woman I talked to on the phone acted as if this had never been a problem for anyone before. Like, she was surprised I was even asking.

But in happier news: although it was surprisingly difficult to find a number for a locksmith (as opposed to a number for a locksmith referral service masquerading as a locksmith to take a commission off emergency calls), I did find one and it happened the locksmith had availability that very day and so he came out and changed all our locks and I now feel much happier. (Our house was rented to tenants for a few years and I was picturing keys scattered all over town.) If you have a child looking ahead toward a job that makes a good living, may I suggest locksmithery? The locksmith I called says all the older locksmiths are retiring and he has to keep expanding his territory wider and wider to cover the need, and now he makes enough that someone in his family quit their job and came to work for him, and actually he’d like it if he could talk a second family member into doing the same.

Another happy and stress-relieving thing is that Paul called someone to come look at the furnace and give an opinion about converting to gas, and the person said that actually our oil furnace was one of the most efficient of all oil furnaces, and that with such a big house we might be happier if we take a year to notice how the current system heats/cools before we change anything, so that when we DO change things we can address specific issues. So now we don’t have to deal with that yet.

And my dad figured out how to turn down the way-way-way-too-high heat on the water heater, even though two realtors, an inspector, the seller, and the seller’s property manager were all unable to do so, and so now the water heater is not as pressing an issue and can wait awhile. The guy who came out to look at the furnace pooh-poohed the idea that it even WOULD be an issue: “If you have to, just get a cheap electric one to bridge the gap!,” he said, casually. So we don’t have to worry about that yet, either.

If only the flooring guys would call me back.

Main house fears/stressors keeping me awake late and waking me up early:

1. The heating/cooling bills will be so high, they will be a monthly source of heart-sink as well as a daily source of environmental guilt and physical discomfort as we try to reduce them.

2. In fact, they will be so high that I will have to get an additional job, and I will end up working not for any of the other reasons I might want/need to, but only to support this house.

3. We will get used to how large the house is, and when we do inevitably downsize one day, anything else will feel cramped.

4. Furthermore, we will have expanded to fit the house, so downsizing will involve painful sacrifices of possessions.

5. After the children leave, but before they start coming home to visit with their families, we will feel a creepy abundance of space and will rattle around like two seeds in a dried gourd. (This is my dad’s visual, provided after I said “like two peas…in a squash…”.)

6. We will never figure out a satisfactory way to arrange the bedrooms so that it’s relatively fair and makes a relative amount of sense; everyone will end up unhappy with their room, and there will be no room available to be what we appear to be referring to as my Office, even though it is more my Recliner and Mini-Fridge Room.

7. It won’t matter, because it will turn out to be too late to have a room of my own: it will turn out we’ve left the stage of life where that would be a lovely sanctuary, and we are now close to the stage of life when I will be hoping for MORE time with the kids.

8. In fact, all of life is the sad pursuit of things it is too late to have. Now we will have the barn where the kids could have used their riding toys, but no one is using riding toys. Now we will have room for a good system for the million boxes of handmedowns, but we need fewer and fewer of those.

9. Meanwhile we have acquired the things that will make our middle-age difficult: the steep driveway, the chilly air, the narrow stairs.

10. The home insurance people want to send someone to look at the inside of the house. The agent I’d talked to said they almost certainly wouldn’t need to do that, so something must have triggered a more intensive evaluation. I said on the form that the electricity was a certain way, because we have an electrician coming the first week of November to make it that way—but it’s not that way YET.

11. I will try to make this problem brief, because it is very stressful but also very boring. In short, we have an oil furnace and an oil water heater. The water heater is TOAST: we got credit at closing for replacement. The furnace is fine (though expensive) while we decide what heating system to put in instead, but the water heater may or may not be safe/able to coast for any time at all. But we don’t want to replace the water heater with another oil one, when it may be only a matter of months before we replace the whole system. Nor do we want to use hot water that is a funny color and can’t be turned down below 170 degrees. But one of the replacement-system places can’t even come out to talk to us until the first week of November. And we don’t know when the replacement could be done, even once we’ve decided.

12. I haven’t called a flooring place yet, though that’s on today’s Wishful Thinking Agenda. Someone else said her floor-refinishing place is booking six weeks out. That might not happen with the place(s) we call, but that conversation put it on my stress list.

13. Several people told me that if we get a dog, we need to get the floors “sealed.” Instead of asking what that meant, I for some reason went into “nodding wisely and pretending I knew what that meant” mode, and now it feels awkward to ask what that means, and besides I forget who said it, and what if I say to the flooring place that we need the floors sealed before we get a dog and they don’t know what I’m talking about? Or what if they say, “Uh, you mean…varnished?” and I don’t know whether to say yes or no and they have no other ideas?

14. The previous owners put marble floors in the bathrooms. I realize that’s supposed to be a selling point, because various people kept pointing it out to us in wow-selling-it tones of voice. But I associate marble floors, perhaps incorrectly, with FREEZING COLD and also SLIPPING and DEATH.

15. Really, I am going to have to get Paul to sketch a floor plan of the bedrooms so you can see what a challenging puzzle it is. It feels like those problems where you have a wolf and a goat and a head of lettuce. And unfortunately what would make it all a lot easier is if I gave up my idea of having my Recliner and Mini-Fridge and Probably Space-Heater Room. But that is the room that is supposed to partially compensate for the fact that this move is something Paul wanted and not something I wanted.

16. On the tour we took with the seller, she gestured to some water pipes and said that if we turned on the water to those, we should probably make sure we left them on a drip so they wouldn’t freeze. This remark has come to epitomize everything I hate about moving to a new house. I don’t have that “What fun to get to know a new house!!” feeling; I have a “Oh god, what unpleasant surprises lurk within your charming facade?” feeling. (This is how I am about dating, too.) Also: how would we turn on the water to those pipes, and why would we want to do so? Is the water maybe already on to those pipes and how would we know? Why are those pipes even there? Why did we think it was a good idea to become homeowners of ANY house when we are so inept?

Isn’t it odd to think that only seven weeks ago I would write about feeling nervous about possibly putting an offer on a house, and today I would be writing that the house is ours and in fact we now own two houses, which is its own new source of anxiety?

We were able to have a tour of the new house with the previous owner, who had lived there almost fifty years. She showed us which room she’d used as a nursery, told us it had taken her forever to choose the paint color for the kitchen (she left us a baggie containing labeled paint chips for walls/cabinets and a labeled sample of the countertop), mentioned that if we take the curtains down to clean them we should pin numbers on the backs so they can be hung back up in the right order (the floors are uneven, so the curtains are all hemmed to different lengths to look the same length). She was happy that the house would be lived in by a large family, and that we were probably getting a dog; she’d had one child and a varying cast of in-laws and a series of golden retrievers.

We took the kids over there last night, and we picked up pizzas on the way and had our first dinner in the new house. Then we walked around and looked at the house, which Paul and I agreed already seems different (in a good way) now that it’s Ours, and the kids had a lot of fun looking at each other and yelling things through the floor/ceiling vents (big open vents you can see through, from the days when the fireplaces were downstairs and there needed to be a way to get the heat upstairs; we’re going to have to keep those vents in mind when having private conversations).

We also found a place on the floor that looks like a hedgehog:

It is really too bad, really very too bad, that neither of the people in this marriage is a matter-of-fact, pick-up-the-phone, just-get-things-done person, or else by now we would have various workers ready to get in there and do their thing. Instead we have not yet called a place to come look at the floors, and the floors need to be refinished before we move in, and I was just yesterday chatting with someone who said she was having her floors refinished and the place was booking six weeks out. So. Well. We will get through this time in our lives, and also maybe the place WE call will only be booking THREE weeks out.

You know how some people refer to the lottery as a tax on people who are bad at math? I think of this delay (and its accompanying expenses) as a tax on people who are bad at making phone calls and getting things lined up ahead of time. That is in fact a soothing thought to me: it turns it from “How could I be so dumb?”/”What’s wrong with me that I can’t handle these things?” into merely a fairly-assigned fee. Everyone has their own areas where they are weak on a life skill, and each of those places has its own tax. You don’t need to beat yourself up about it, you can just pay the fine and move on with life as a perfectly-normal imperfect person.

And furthermore, we all have stuff we’re extra-good at, and those things can help compensate for the fines. Like, maybe you’re good at paying down debt early, or maybe you’re good at doing repairs around the house, or maybe you can sew, or maybe you’re a good sale/clearance shopper, or maybe you’re good at keeping/sorting handmedowns, or maybe you’re good at maintaining social connections, or WHATEVER. It makes sense that we would all have areas that result in savings/earnings, and other areas that result in taxes/fees/fines.

I am so consumed by a mental loop of HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE you would not even know that there are other elements to my life. I am looking forward to this part being over and the next part being well under way. There is no way to get to the next part without doing this part.

Today’s plan was watch episodes of The West Wing while playing the three (3) versions of Candy Crush I have on my phone, and pack two boxes between each episode. This should have resulted in a 2/1 ratio of boxes to episodes. Would you like to guess what the actual ratio is? In my partial defense, I allowed one substitution: making a scary phone call instead of packing two boxes. Counting the call as two boxes, I am at a ratio of 2/3, which makes me glad I converted the call into boxes before telling you.

What is my problem? What IS my problem?? I am stressed about packing and about all the packing that still needs to be done! Doing some packing would help with that! Also my hands and feet are freezing and the best way to fix that is to move around a little, maybe lift something heavy like a box. Instead I watched a third episode of West Wing and then walked across the house and sat down at my computer.

It’s discouraging how MANY boxes it takes. I packed the bedding and I used the largest boxes and it took three of those large boxes and I haven’t yet even packed all the bedding. Why do we have so much bedding? Are we USING all this bedding? Maybe I should open those boxes back up and get rid of more of the bedding.

I can’t even tell how much progress I’m making. The box pile is certainly getting large. But the house looks discouragingly the same. Am I a tenth of the way done? A hundredth? WHO CAN TELL.

I find I am no longer particularly stressed about the idea of living in a different house, or the idea of giving up this house. I can still get myself worked up about either thing if I try, but I can’t sustain it. I’m looking forward to living in the new house. I don’t need anymore the fiction that we will hang onto this house in case we want to move back. But I am not looking forward to all the calls and strangers involved in a new house.

One of my least favorite parts is not knowing who to call for what. Like, just for an example, the home inspector said that there is a place where a plumber removed too much of a support beam in order to make room for a pipe, and that situation needs to be remedied. Who do I call for that? What verb is it I’m even asking them for, other than “to remedy”? How do I figure out what kind of worker to hire when I don’t even know what kind of work needs to be done? Is there someone I could call and just hand them the inspection report and have them take care of it all without me having to make a whole bunch of calls? And if not, WHY NOT?? This seems like an opportunity just waving itself around in the air! “Hand me the inspection report and I will take care of it.” Or maybe there already are such people, but they are called contractors and they cost the same as buying an additional house, and that is why I am not hearing so much about them as the obvious answer to this problem. WHY ARE WE EVEN BUYING A HOUSE, WHAT A STUPID IDEA TO OWN A HOUSE.

Basically that is where I have put my stress about moving: into freaking out about fixing problems that have evidently been coasting along just fine for a couple of decades. I did search online for “handyman” with our city name, and I have found someone in a larger city about 40 minutes away who not only does general handyman work of a “no task too small” variety but also helps with moves and furniture assembly. So probably I have already solved my own problem and can get back to watching episodes of The West Wing now.

I am attempting to apply for home insurance for the new house, and I am so frustrated. I just put all that frustration on Twitter so let’s just use that as a summary:

Anyway it’s not going well. Do MOST people know the year their 200-year-old home’s heating system was converted from fireplace to oil? And why are they asking if we have at least 60 feet of perimeter fencing? And why do they want to know how many rooms have crown molding? And why do they set up an online-quote form if you CANNOT GET AN ONLINE QUOTE FROM IT??

Also, in order to fill out parts of the form, I had to consult the inspection report. There is nothing that gets me quite so wound up as an inspection report. “Here are the ONE THOUSAND PAPER CUTS you will die of if you buy this house!” But I remember feeling the same way when we bought this house, and I remember we fixed the major things and the rest of it just became the house we lived in. Like, yes, we should probably touch up the paint on that step. But we haven’t, and it’s fine.

I would like to express appreciation for what appears to be a shift to the term “home insurance.” I never knew where to put the apostrophe in homeowners/homeowner’s/homeowners’ insurance. Plus, “home insurance” is parallel to “car insurance”.

I am wearing HIGH-TOP Converse sneakers for the first time, and I love them. I love them. I can’t believe I went so many years assuming I would hate them and not even trying them.

I wear the low-tops all spring and summer, and every fall I get sad because my feet start getting too chilly and I have to switch to something else. Last year I got some thin wool-blend socks and that extended the Converse Season, but I wondered if the high-tops would extend the season even further, and I finally got myself to buy a pair on a good sale. Then I let them sit in the box on my bureau for a month, feeling shy about even trying them on, even though there’s a 30-day free-return policy so the sensible person would try them on right away. But no, I let the return window close and THEN panicked and put them on this morning and they’re great. They’re GREAT. I love them. Thank goodness.

I don’t know if they’ll be warm enough for late fall and winter, but they are definitely cozier. I’d thought I would hate the feeling of them snugged around my ankles but I love it. I have weak arches and tricksy ankles, and the snugginess makes me feel more secure and stable.

BY THE WAY: if you wear Converse but haven’t bought any for a few years, be aware that the sizing seems to have changed. I have a whole heap of old Converse sneakers, all size 11 women’s (9 men’s), so when I finally ordered some new ones, I ordered size 11 without even thinking about it—and they were significantly too large. In disbelief (they were the SAME SIZE) and wondering if it could just be that my old ones were worn-in and laced more tightly, I tried wearing a pair anyway, and I kept tripping over the toes. Happily I’d tried THOSE pairs on before the 30-day return window, so I sent them all back. I then went to a fairly distant store that sells Converse and I tried on other sizes. Pair after pair, just to be sure. And sure enough: now I wear a size 10 women’s. Converse was bought by Nike a few years ago, and they seem to have changed the sizing around then.

ALSO. I do not know if you are aware of this or if it would relevant to your interests, but there are HELLO KITTY Converse. I have these on my Christmas wish list:

(image from Converse.com)

No real update on the move: we’re still sort of twiddling our thumbs and waiting for Closing Day. I’ve packed a few more boxes and I think that process is gathering steam now. Edward, a child inclined toward charmingly oblivious observations, said with wonderment “I never knew we had SO MANY BOXES!” He apparently thought I had pulled these giant piles of moving boxes out of some secret storage place in the house, rather than acquiring them recently for this exact purpose.

Two major moving milestones: (1) Yesterday I packed the first box. (2) Today I ordered new return-address labels.

Both of these are still a little risky, because the closing (when the house officially becomes ours) isn’t until later next month. But this week has marked the end of the uncertainty period for us as buyers. There were things we had to have evaluated/inspected as part of our offer, and then the seller had to accept/decline what we asked them for as a result of those evaluations/inspections, and so things could easily have fallen through on either side: we could have found something we weren’t willing to deal with at all (“We’re sorry to back out but the inspector said the walls are at least 80% termite at this point”); or we could have asked the seller to handle something and the seller could have declined to do so, and that too could have ended the deal. (I have heard from friends who live elsewhere that it is not common in those places to ask sellers to fix things. Where I live, it’s assumed that the asking price of the house reflects a house that is safe and usable; if anything in the house is not safe or not usable, and that thing hasn’t been disclosed ahead of time as something already taken into account when setting the asking price, it’s common for the seller to agree to handle/fix it or else give a credit or partial-credit at closing for the cost of handling/fixing it. But it would not be common for sellers to fix anything cosmetic or relatively minor: broken fence, painting, broken interior doorknob. We are talking more along the lines of fixing faulty electricity, a broken water heater, a dangerous furnace, etc.)

But we said what we wanted handled/fixed/credited, and the seller agreed to those things, and we all signed our names. It looks to me as if our part is now pretty much over, except for all the packing and cleaning and moving and paper-signing and address-changing and utilities and insurance and everything else. But we don’t seem to have very many pre-closing things to do, if any. The seller has to work on the fixes they’ve agreed to do, and as long as they DO do those fixes, I don’t see any particular reason to think things would fall through at this point. Our hope is that the fixes will be done briskly: both parties agreed informally ahead of time that if possible we’d all enjoy closing earlier than originally scheduled.

And so that seemed to be my cue to pack a box or two. I geared up for it: I had coffee and scrambled eggs, and I told myself I could watch ONE episode of West Wing while I ate, and then when that was over I had to pack a box. It was a good first box-packing, too: I packed up quite a bit of a closet. It’s the closet where I keep things such as gift bags, tissue paper, gifts I bought for a specific someone and then forgot about, gifts I bought for an unspecified someone and then never found the right person, gifts I bought to have on hand if one of the kids suddenly got invited to a party, etc. While I did pack a lot of it, I got rid of more than I packed. It was a little painful, yet satisfying and refreshing. Like peeling surgical tape off the skin when it’s been there a couple of days. I donated:

• every gift bag I didn’t like

• any specific-someone gift that no longer seemed like a good idea

• any unspecified-someone gift that had been there more than a couple of years

• every kid-birthday-party gift that was for an age group younger than my youngest kid

• two Target bags of fabric ribbon, bought on clearance long ago when I thought I might be someone who would wrap gifts in hemmed fabrics and reusable cloth ribbons

• a dozen decorative reusable gift boxes purchased on clearance during that same deluded stage

• two Target bags of disposable gift bows and ribbons I hardly ever use because our cats try to eat them; I kept one spool because I do very occasionally use it for a craft or for a gift I’m giving outside our household, and so if I don’t keep some I’ll have to go out and buy more and that would be galling

Long ago I read a book on hoarding, and the one thing I remember about it (other than my rapidly-reached conclusion that I may be someone who likes to save things but in no way do I qualify as an actual hoarder) is that the most painful moment of getting rid of something is RIGHT BEFORE your hand lets go of it. That is, they asked hoarders to throw something away, and they would have the person evaluate their level of stress and pain as they held the item over the trash or donation barrel, and the person would be right up there at 9 or 10—weeping with reluctance to get rid of the thing, thinking they couldn’t bear to get rid of it. Then they asked the person again about five minutes after the item had been disposed of, and the person would rate their stress and pain at around a 1 or 2, or even a 0. I found this very useful when getting rid of those gorgeous and totally unused gift boxes. They’re so pretty! They’re so sturdy! But I’m not using them for ANYTHING. I’ve kept them for years in case I could think of a use! But I have not thought of a use! Let’s set those pretty things free in the world for someone else who CAN find a use for them!

…Where was I? Oh, yes: I packed a box. Just the one box.

Today I have packed two more boxes. I keep getting stuck, is one problem. Like, I start to pack up the books, and realize a lot of the books aren’t mine to decide if we’re keeping them or not. Or I realize I don’t have enough smallish boxes for packing books, and need to get more from the liquor store (my friend Morgan got me two huge batches of moving boxes from people in her neighborhood, so Small Boxes for Heavy Things is the only gap I need to fill). Or I wonder can we possibly get rid of Paul’s dozen box sets of DVDs, now that it’s been nearly a decade since we had a DVD player?—but I guess I should ask him and not assume. Or I think, “Can I pack the winter coats, or does that guarantee an early cold snap?” And so on. But I did pack two more boxes.

And I ordered the address labels. That’s a practical thing (it’s nice to have them for one million change-of-address purposes) but also a celebratory one: I remember when we moved to this house, it was a very exciting stage of the process. If the sale were to fall through, I would be out a little bit of money, but it’s not enough of a risk to be worth waiting. And it was a lot of fun to choose. Go on and guess how many of the four sets I entered our CURRENT address on, before realizing it. (It was all four.)

Smallish things I wish:

1. That my microwave, which beeps three times every thirty seconds or so when it is done microwaving, would do that ONLY on a special Coffee Re-Heating setting. I DO need to be reminded that my coffee mug is in there. I DON’T need to be reminded about ANYTHING ELSE.

2. That our realtor would EMAIL us updates instead of always CALLING us. We ALWAYS contact her by email. We have TOLD her we prefer email, more than once. We even made an accidental passive-aggressive point about it by praising the home inspector for emailing us back, saying how annoying it was to us when we email someone and then they call us or email back a phone number—and then realizing that with the realtor standing right there it was kind of an awkward thing to be discussing in front of her. But apparently there was no need for us to cringe, because she still calls us.

3. That I had more than two things for this list. It seemed like a good idea for a post when I’d thought of two, but I’ve been sitting here half an hour and nothing else is occurring to me. Perhaps you could add some smallish things YOU wish, so it seems more like a discussion-starter and less like a stunted topic.