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Baby Naming Issue: Honoring Only One Grandmother, When Both Grandfathers Have Been Honored

Dear Swistle,

We have triplet boys and are expecting our fourth (and last), a girl. (Yay!) With the boys, we used family names for their middle names and tried to keep their first names in the same theme but with different first and last initials to give them their own individuality. I love that they are connected with their familial middle names but have distinct first names. The middle names are their two grandfathers’ names and my maiden name. (All the children and I have my husband’s last name as our last name.)

Obviously, we would like to continue this tradition with the girl, but we have two grandmothers to honor and only one child to name this time (which, honestly, thank goodness!). If the situation were reversed, and we had all girl triplets with single middle names and a boy on the way, I would have no qualms about giving him both grandfathers’ names as middle names. With a girl, however, I am less inclined to do this, as girls are more wont to accumulate even more names in life (for instance, my married name is my first name-middle name-maiden name (second middle name now)-last name (husband’s name). Of course, there’s no telling what my daughter will decide to do name-wise if and when she gets married, but I’d rather not run the risk of saddling her with a five name full name or of making her decide which name(s) to axe.

i would also not like to elevate either grandmother’s name into the first name spot. I don’t like the superiority it grants to one grandmother, and I would prefer to have the freedom to choose a name of our liking for the first name. The names in question are Elaine and Nina. I briefly thought of combining the name into one – Elainina – but that both feels like it doesn’t adequately honor either grandmother, and my husband informed me that in his native tongue the word translates roughly to “venison”! (ha!)

My mother has told me that we should choose any names we want, and that she will not be offended if her name doesn’t make it in (she is a very reasonable and unmanipulative woman, so I take her words at face value). My mother-in-law is less reasonable and more prone to histrionics. Sigh. I do not have a bad relationship with her, and would not like to engender one, but I also don’t want to determine part of my child’s name (and leave out my own beloved mother’s name) just on the basis of appeasing her.

So, is there some solution that I haven’t thought of here? What am I missing? Or is this just intractable?

Thank you so, so, so much, Swistle!

Robin

 

This is one of the troubles with honor names: not being able to honor everyone, and/or not being able to make it work out fairly. When we had our first son, we used the name of one of my grandfathers (the one I was much closer to) as his middle name. We didn’t know if we’d have any more boys so that we could use our other three grandfathers’ names: we just picked the one that was most important to us to use. At the time I don’t remember being much stressed out by it. We emphasized the honor name to the one grandfather who was honored, and didn’t say anything about it to the others, and also I was thinking no one would expect us to give the child all four of our grandfathers’ names at once.

But your case is a little different. If I understand it correctly, you have honored both of the children’s grandfathers, and now the plan is to honor one grandmother, which leaves out one of the children’s four grandparents while honoring all three of the others? Yes. I see what you mean. This is tricky.

I am generally disinclined to think ahead to what a child will do with their name upon marriage. I do give it a little thought, but it’s so impossible to predict how things will go. I gave all five of my kids (the girl as well as the boys) two middle names, with the understanding that any/all of the kids might choose to drop/add some names later on—and that that can be up to them. It’s a decision I feel they can handle, especially if I don’t make a big deal about it. Most people only use first/last in regular life, plus maybe a single middle initial for paperwork; it doesn’t seem to matter how many names are in between. And in your case, when I weigh “leaving out just one of four grandparents” on one hand, against “child might have to make a decision about how to manage names later on as an adult” on the other hand, it’s the one about excluding one grandparent that makes me feel stressy.

So I think that is what I would do here: I would give her both grandmothers’ names as middle names. I would do something like flip a coin to determine name order, and I would make that method known, if you want to avoid a feeling of ranking/superiority. I would leave it up to her what to do about those names later on.

But I also like the idea of combining the names. I like the sound of Ninalaine, if that doesn’t mean anything silly in your husband’s native language—or maybe even if it does: when there’s no solution that gives everything, this seems like a good place to sacrifice.

Or depending on the particular honor-name feelings/opinions of your particular families, you could start playing around with other things. Like both names have an N and an I and an A; would anyone feel honored by Ani? Or perhaps your daughter’s first/middle names could have the initials N.E. or E.N.

Actually, the more I think about this, the more I think THIS is what I’d do: use neither name. If anything needs to be said on the subject, say “With triplets we could use both grandfather names. But with only one girl—we didn’t want to favor one of you over the other. So instead we went with _______.” You don’t by any chance have a name that appears in both family trees, do you? Maybe you both have an aunt or grandmother or great-grandmother or great-aunt with the same name? Or do you have only one sister between you, so you could use her name? Or is there another family surname that could be used?

Another reason I like this Use Neither idea is that you have already honored two grandparents plus used your maiden name; honoring a third grandparent not only leaves out one grandparent, it makes one child’s name different. This doesn’t actually bother me, but it’s another excuse if you need one. We used names of our grandparents for two of the children’s honor names, but then split from that concept and went with other people (a parent, a friend, and a great-uncle) for the others.

But I want to say I also LOVE Nina Elaine. I know you don’t want to elevate one grandmother over the other, but it’s such a pretty name.

Baby Girl or Boy H@zen, Sibling to Aila and Eden

Hi Swistle,

I’m due with our third child in 9 days and I am starting to feel the pressure of finding the perfect name. We don’t know if this baby is a boy or a girl yet, but I feel fairly settled on our boy pick. We have two girls, Aila Margaret and Eden Diana. Our last name is H@zen. Margaret and Diana are both family names and I would like to carry on that tradition with using either Grace (my middle name) or Elizabeth. I’m feeling the pressure of continuing with a vowel for baby three, but I also like unique names. I’m struggling, Swistle! This is what we have:
-Violet (not a vowel and too popular?)
-Claire (again, not a vowel, but so girly and classic)
-Ava (way too popular, but I love it) or Ada (husband loves it, but I’m on the fence)
-Mae (I love the simplicity and timelessness of this name)
-Adalyn (okay, but I don’t love it)
-Nora (I love this because it combines both of our mother’s names, but again…not a vowel!)

Do I feel settled on any of these? Nope. Sure don’t. Help!! Any other suggestions? Should I just ignore the popularity of Ava and use it? Ignore the vowel rule that I have accidentally created?

For a boy, we are settled on either Sawyer, Isaac, or Abram (middle name Gene). I love them all and know I will know which to use after I meet our son, if it’s a boy.

Thank you for your expertise and advice. I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

My best,
Kellyn

 

(I’m assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that Aila is pronounced like Kayla without the K. If it is instead pronounced like Isla, many of my suggestions will be off.)

From past posts on the topic I know we as a group are split on the “vowel theme” idea: some of us notice it and some of us don’t; I’m in the category that doesn’t notice it. In any case, I am also in the category that thinks it isn’t a theme until you have THREE children in a row with something in common.

From your girl list, I pick Nora. It combines your mothers’ names, and it discontinues the vowel theme by acting as if the actual theme was four-letter names. Aila Margaret, Eden Diana, and Nora Grace.

But if you’re planning more children, I would probably keep away from vowel names AND four-letter names, to avoid backing yourself into a corner for the next child. In that case my next choice is…well, pretty much any name on your list except Adalyn (because you say you don’t love it and because it’s almost a combination of the first two girls’ names) or Ava/Ada (which are just one consonant-sound different from Aila, if I’ve correctly guessed the pronunciation). I don’t think Violet is too popular; I haven’t met a single one yet, though of course this kind of thing varies considerably by location. Claire is lovely. Mae is lovely. Very nice choices, all of them.

If you would find it fun to discuss more options, and if you’re not planning more children, I suggest Iris. Aila, Eden, and Iris. All four letters, all vowel names, all two syllables. More suggestions:

Brynna
Carys
Cleo
Cora
Garnet
Greta
Imogen
Ivy
Jade
June
Kira
Livia
Margo
Maya
Mina
Laine
Maeve
Sloane

If at all possible, release yourself from the pressure of finding “the perfect name.” The parents’ responsibility is to find a good and useful name. Perfection is usually what happens afterward, when the name becomes so bonded to the child that it seems perfect by association.

Baby Boy Luh-MAY, Brother to Matilda and Wilder

We’re expecting our third child, a boy, in early September. Big siblings are Matilda and Wilder, and the surname is French and sounds like luh-MAY. We live in a hipster area of a big city, where it’s normal to hear parents call out: “Otto! Laszlo! Dashiell! Jasper!” Perhaps due to this, I’m really struggling to find anything I like. It’s the common problem of wanting something that feels fresh and different without being too unusual, except those names have all already been taken by my kids’ friends and schoolmates. Add in the fact that I’ve worked at a preschool for the past 5 years, and suddenly all my old favorites feel overused and tired.

My husband doesn’t seem to be afflicted by this problem. Some of the names he likes best are: Atticus, Alden, Barnaby, Emerson, Hawthorn, Nero, and Orion. I would consider Atticus, but don’t love it, am so-so on Hawthorn, and dislike the others.

Names I like (but don’t love) that my husband would be willing to consider:
Cassian (a bit frilly feelng)
Cormac (pronunciation discrepancies, not great flow with surname)
Cyrus, Everett, Theo, Tristan (so popular here)
Leander (same ending as Wilder)

Names I like (but don’t love) that my husband has rejected: Anders, Atlas, Boaz, Bram, Caspian, Dario, Emrys, Etienne, Ivo, Jonas, Lucian, Lysander, Orlando, Roman, Roscoe

The one name we both like but would never use due to spelling: Tadhg

Names we would have considered had this baby been a girl: Adeline, Beatrix, Coraline, Cordelia, Elodie, Lucia, Lyra, Rose, Thisbe, Zora.

Ideally the name would flow well with the surname, not end in -er, and sound distinct from yet compatible with Matilda and Wilder. This will most likely be our last baby, so I’m hopeful there’s something out there we’ll (re)discover and both love, rather than something we can merely compromise on.

I would be very grateful for any suggestions you might have. Many thanks!

-A

 

Just for fun, I started by seeing what the possibilities were for a third name containing “ild”:

Gildardo
Hilder
Tilden

So, hm. How about only the “ld”:

Alden (also seen on your husband’s list)
Aldo
Aldous
Aldric
Aldrich
Colden
Elden
Eldric
Fielding
Fitzgerald
Kelden
Leopold
Maxfield
Oswald
Reginald
Sheldon
Walden (probably too many sounds in common with Wilder)
Whitfield

I particularly like Fielding. Fielding Luhmay; Matilda, Wilder, and Fielding.

Because it’s common for parents to have different naming styles for boys and for girls, I’d lean more toward matching the brother names here. Wilder is a surname name; for some it will have a pleasing connection to the Laura Ingalls Wilder books. It’s also a word name, with connotations of wildness and wilderness—a little bit of a cowboy/ranger feel. In spite of those two old-fashioned/throwback associations, it’s also a cool and modern name: I wouldn’t want to pair it with Harold, for example, even though Harold has an “ld” in it. And although sometimes the way to surprise a hip area is to bring back names such as Douglas and Roger, I don’t think I’d combine those with Wilder either. I think surname names and nature names would go particularly well, but also hip biblical and other names with that old-fashioned/modern mix:

Aidric
August
Clark
Crosby
Everest
Ezekiel
Felix
Flynn
Forrest/Forest
Grant
Heath
Jacoby
Jude
Lawson
Lincoln
Phineas
Quill (we just re-watched Guardians of the Galaxy)
Redford
Reeve
Reuben
Shepard
Sterling
Sullivan
Teague
Tobias

Baby Naming Issue: Are Madilyn and Madisyn Too Similar to Use as Sister Names for Madalee?

Dear Swistle,
We just found out a few months ago that we are expecting another baby. We already have a boy name picked out from the first pregnancy that we decided to use in the instance that baby number 2 is a boy. We named our first born “Madalee” but are now having trouble picking another girl name for our possible future daughter. We LOVE the names “Madilyn” and “Madisyn” but I fear that it may be too close “Madalee”.

We call our first born “Maddie” so I figured if we call baby number 2 by their whole name it wouldn’t be too big of a mix up. I’ve searched for other names but I can’t bring myself to commit to another name because I love Madilyn and Madisyn so much. What is your opinion?

Sincerely,
Ashley

 

My opinion is that yes, Madilyn and Madisyn are too close to Madalee. I also think there could be disputes over the nickname Maddie, even if you decide to assign the nickname to only one of them.

This would still be too similar for me, but one option is to use Adelyn or Addisyn: even dropping the M helps, and then they’d both have the option of using their nicknames. The nicknames would rhyme, but they wouldn’t be the same. But again: still too similar for me, and I think I’d get mixed up and say Madisyn and Adalee by mistake.

If I were you I would look further afield. It’s common for parents to love groups of very similar names: it makes sense that if parents love the name Ellery they might also love Ellison and Ella and Everly. But I think in general that using one name from a group of very similar names rules out the others in that group: parents who use the name Evan have probably ruled out the names Ivan, Evanie, and Devan from future consideration.

Here are some names that strike me as similar to Madalee/Madilyn/Madisyn while allowing for more distinctive sounds:

Avelyn; Madalee and Avelyn
Averie; Madalee and Averie
Braelyn; Madalee and Braelyn
Briella; Madalee and Briella
Brinley; Madalee and Brinley (not sure about the repeated endings)
Ellery; Madalee and Ellery (tongue gets a little tangled)
Ellisyn; Madalee and Ellisyn
Emelyn; Madalee and Emelyn
Emersyn; Madalee and Emersyn
Gracyn; Madalee and Gracyn
Harlowe; Madalee and Harlowe
Keelyn; Madalee and Keelyn
Kinsley; Madalee and Kinsley (not sure about the repeated endings)
Shelby; Madalee and Shelby

I went back and forth on rhyming and semi-rhyming endings. Some seemed to work, especially if the names had a different number of syllables and if the rhyming included only the -ie/-ee/-y sound and not the full -ley/-lee sound. Others seemed too sing-song.