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Baby Boy Lamberton, Brother to Annie

Dear Swistle,

I’m hoping you can help us out with a few suggestions for a boy’s name. We just found out that our child due in mid-November is a boy, which is great, except for the fact that we only can find girl names that we like!

Our last name is Lamberton, and we have a daughter (who will be 2 when her little brother arrives) whose name is Annie (not Anne, Anna, Ann… Annie – we knew that’s what we would end up calling her for a long time, though we are not nickname-averse).

Girl names we’ve liked:
Margaret (Maggie)
Clara
Talulah, Louisa (Lulu as a nickname for either of those, although we weren’t entirely sold on the alliteration with our last name)

Boy names we’ve liked but nixed:

Elliot (our friends have a son named Elliot and it would feel weird to us)
Henry (I love it still, but my husband is less sure about it… it doesn’t feel right to him.)
Charles (I like it, husband doesn’t)
James (we’re kind of on the fence – it’s my one brother’s first name, but he goes by his middle name)
Beckett, nickname “Beck”. – I really liked it until I saw a sign for Beck beer….
Oliver – love it, especially with Annie, except for the fact that my far-more-astute-than-I friend pointed out that both our children would then be named after orphans.

We’ve also nixed a lot of the really popular names right now: Mason, Liam, Noah, Owen (he’ll have a big cousin named Owen)… Names ending in “-aden” don’t even enter the discussion.

Using “Richard” as a middle name is a possibility, as it is a strong family name on both sides, but my brother has already used it as the middle name for his son, so we don’t need to use it… but it would be nice to find something that could go with it.

My husband is Benjamin (goes by Ben), so that is probably out, although I do love it as a name. Basically, we like interesting names that are more timeless than trendy. Oh, also, we’d probably like to steer clear of names beginning with a “B”. We’re already having our first two children (I’d like more, at least I think I would, but my husband isn’t sold on that yet) at pretty much the exact same interval as my husband and his older sister, and since his sister’s name also begins with an “A”, I’d like to try to stop the similarities before they get too out of hand. Hmm… any other conflicts? Ben thinks it would be hilarious if the baby’s initials were “LOL”, but I beg to differ :)

I hope that made sense… we obviously have some time, but I would just love an impartial third party’s opinion!

Thank you so much,

Kate Lamberton

 

The sibling pairing Annie and Oliver does immediately bring both musicals to my mind, even though I don’t think of the musicals with either name alone. Whether this is a problem or not depends on your own reaction to it: it would bother me, but if it doesn’t bother you I think there’s plenty of room to spin this as a musical theme rather than an orphan theme. I also think “named after” is too strong a condemnation: if you’re not deliberately naming the children with the fictional characters in mind, then it’s just a shared name rather than a namesake.

I do love James from your nix list, though I would have liked it better with Anne or Anna: pairing it with Annie suddenly makes me feel as if the girls get cute names and the boys get serious names. To avoid this feeling, I think I would lean toward using a boy name with a similar nickname feel: Charlie/Charley, for example, rather than Charles. Or Jack would be exactly the kind of thing I mean. I think Henry also works for this, perhaps because of the -y ending.

Gus, perhaps? Gus Lamberton; Annie and Gus.

Or Grady. Grady Lamberton; Annie and Grady.

Or Eli. Eli Lamberton; Annie and Eli. My tongue gets just a little tangled, but not enough that I’d rule it out; I find I even like it, so perhaps tangled is the wrong word. I find I start saying it with a little sass.

Or Theo. Theo Lamberton; Annie and Theo.

Or I wonder if you’d like Milo: Oliver and Charles and Elliot and Henry and Milo were all finalists on my own name list. Milo Lamberton; Annie and Milo.

Or Hugo. Hugo Lamberton; Annie and Hugo.

Or George. George Lamberton; Annie and Georgie.

Or Louis, if you find you’re pro-alliteration. Louis Lamberton; Annie and Louie.

Elliot makes me think of Emmett and Everett. Emmett Lamberton; Annie and Emmett. Everett Lamberton; Annie and Everett.

 

 

Name update:

Thank you all so much for all your helpful input!  While I could have sworn that I updated you all after he was born, a quick Google search of our names (fueled by being overly awake from prepping lunches for the week and too much caffeine, as it’s 11:17pm here) revealed this query and the fact that I never did update you all!  Thanks to R for checking back in in February (and I will now update my selections so that I receive updates should anyone else post)!

We ended up naming our son Jacob Richard, and we call him Jake.  Annie and Jake.  They have just turned 4 and 2 years old respectively, and we think we really nailed it on the names for them.  They are classic but with some flexibility, and while Jacob seems to always be on the top 10 lists for popularity, I know of only 2 others.

In the end, I couldn’t go with Jack, knowing it was the name of my brother’s dog.  That hasn’t stopped people in our family for accidentally saying “Jack” instead of “Jake”, but since my mother once went through all my brothers’ names and the dog’s (Choco) before finally landing on “Kate” one time, I figure that’s not so bad. ;-)

Baby Girl Alber, Sister to Charlie

Hi Swistle,

You helped us (through a private consultation) name our little boy Charlie almost 18 months ago. Now we’re expecting his little brother or sister in early October and would love some input from you and your readers.

The issue this time around? Finding a good match to go with Charlie. Our favorite names are Audrey for a girl and Henry for a boy. Despite these being our clear favorites, I’m hesitant because the rey/ry endings seem perhaps too close to Charlie’s name. So the question is, am I over thinking this? Or should we avoid these names and move on to others we are also considering?

For more information Charlie’s full name is Charles Gray (sounds a lot like, but isn’t quite) Alber. We call him Charlie 99% of the time. Gray is my mother’s maiden name and is my middle name. This baby’s middle name will be Bryce (my maiden name).

For a girl, in addition to Audrey, we also like:
Emilia (but maybe a little too fancy paired with Charlie?)
Eliza (or maybe Elizabeth with the nickname Eliza?)
Louisa (also seems a bit fancy with Charlie)
Sadie

For a boy, in addition to Henry, we also like:
Samuel (nickname Sam)
Jonah
Jack (but maybe sounds a bit..geriatric…when paired with Alber?)

Names we like but can’t use:
Caroline (my absolute favorite name, but I had to give it up when we named Charlie)
Eleanor (another big favorite, but too close to my mother in law’s name, Ellen, and Jewish families do not name children after living relatives)
Alexandra (a little alliteration is ok, but Alexandra Alber is too much)
Molly (love this one with Charlie, but we already know several little Mollys)
Josephine/Josie (my husband vetoed, sigh)
Sabrina (also vetoed)
Nathaniel/Nathan/Nate (too close to my name, which is Natalie)
Theodore/Teddy (another favorite, but already used by close friends)

So please Swistle, and your insightful and creative readers, help us name baby Alber!

Thank you!

Natalie

 

I don’t think the endings of Audrey and Henry are too close to the ending of the name Charlie, so I would stop right there and not even move on to the other names on the list. I think a second -lie/-ly ending (Lily, for example) might be too matchy, and that having a group of, say, four children all ending in -ie/-y (Charlie, Audrey, Henry, Ivy) might be too matchy, but if you hadn’t pointed it out for Charlie/Henry or Charlie/Audrey, I wouldn’t have noticed it. It further works in your favor that Charlie is a nickname for Charles: Charles/Henry and Charles/Audrey aren’t too similar at all, and I don’t think it matters nearly as much how nicknames fit.

 

 

Name update!

Hi there,

Our sweet baby girl arrived on October 9. I took one look at her and knew she was our little Audrey.  Thanks so much for all the wonderful feedback.

Baby Girl or Boy Owens, Sibling to Eli Dane

Hi Swistle!
We are expecting baby #2, and could use a little help with a name. We will not find out gender, which makes it twice as hard! We are fairly set on middle names, as we will probably pass along my husband’s middle name to a boy (Alan) and my middle name to a girl (Marie), to continue a tradition. We skipped this tradition with my first son’s middle name (Dane), as we honored my elderly grandfather instead.

We would prefer to stay away from overly common names, in fact, Eli is even a little too common for our liking. Yet, we are hoping to stay away from names that are hard to pronounce or spell, or sound made-up. We also don’t want another “El-” name, although I LOVE the name Eliza. It was actually our “girl” name for our son. Lastly, I don’t want a name that ends in an “O,” given our surname. I love Milo and Leo, but crossed them off because I feel like it just runs into our last name, or sounds stutter-y.

Some boy names we like, but may be too common for us include: Noah, Henry, Landon
Some girl names we like, but may be too common for us include: Evelyn, Nora, Layla

A few boy names currently in the running: Toby, Jasper, Sawyer, Adrian, Soren, Chase, Cody, Wyatt, Isaiah.
Toby may be the front runner at this point. I like Jasper…unique and masculine, but I’m a little afraid of the “Twilight” connection…still too strong? I love Sawyer, but I worry a little about pronunciation “Saw-yer vs Soy-yer.” Personally, I’d probably say Soy-yer, even though the other may be phonetically correct, because Saw-yer is hard for me to pronounce. The others are “eh” names…but could grow on me.

Our current list of girl names include: Taya, Raina, Vianne, Corinna, Mattea, Linnea.
People seem to have an easier time with girl names, but we are the opposite. Taya may be our front-runner, but I worry about pronunciation (I like TAY-uh) and spelling. It would also be a great nn for Mattea, but spelling is an issue (Tea?). Honestly, I’m not sold on any of these names the way I was with Eliza. I loved the connection with My Fair Lady…classic, spunky and sweet. Along these lines, I like Annie for a nn (Vianne?), but my husband doesn’t seem to love it.

We also hope to have a third (or fourth!?) child, and don’t want to create a “rule” so to speak. For example, if we go with “Eli & Adrian,” (Eli Manning, Adrian Peterson), will people think we are football-crazy? Or, If we go with “Eli & Isaiah,” if we name a third child something non-biblical, will it stand out?

Lastly, I’m not sure we want an extremely long name, next to our “short & sweet” Eli. I’m thinking 6-7 letters, max, unless we have a great nn.

I would be THRILLED if you are able to feature this, as I would LOVE any input you might have.

Thanks so much for your time! I PROMISE to update you when baby comes :)
~L

 

One of the things I find most interesting about baby names is how the second child’s name “spins” the first child’s name. If a family has a child named Noah, for example, and then they name their second child Liam, it’s a totally different effect than if they name the second child Moses. So I do think you’re sensible to consider the effect of the second child’s name. I wouldn’t have noticed the Eli and Adrian tie-in, but Eli and Isaiah does start a biblical theme for me.

As with other themes, though, I don’t really consider it a theme until the third child matches. If a family has a Noah and a Natalie, I notice the matching N but don’t blink if they name the third child a name not starting with N (in fact, I feel relief that they didn’t feel pressured into it); if, however, they have Noah, Natalie, and Nathan, I feel like they’re all but committed to the N theme at that point—particularly if they plan only one more child.

Since you’re planning 3-4 children, I think the easiest way to avoid a theme is to avoid it for the first two: Eli and Isaiah won’t seem as themed if you have a Sawyer in between. But if Isaiah is your top favorite, or Adrian is, I say go ahead and do it: if people do see a connection, it still doesn’t seem like a large issue. Maybe someone would say “Oh, Eli and Adrian—are you football fans?” and then you’d say “Oh, no, it’s a coincidence—we just liked the names.”

For me, the Twilight problem has all but disappeared. I still wouldn’t name siblings Edward and Bella, but names such as Jasper and Emmett and Alice feel available—and I’d use the names Edward and Bella individually without worrying that anyone would think it was because of Twilight. I looked in my archives, and parents were asking about or worrying about Twilight associations regularly until mid-2013, when it stopped; the concern peaked in 2010. This indicates to me that the associations are disappearing from people’s minds. And Jasper is my favorite from your list. Jasper Owens; Eli and Jasper.

If you don’t mind hearing Sawyer pronounced both ways by other people, then I don’t think pronunciation has to be an issue. I get concerned about it mostly when parents say they hate one pronunciation, or that one pronunciation drives them crazy; in that situation, it doesn’t seem worth the inevitable stress and irritation. And the difference in pronunciation between Soy-yer and Saw-yer is subtle to my ear and local accent.

If you like Mattea and Taya, it does seem like a natural solution is to use the latter as a nickname for the former. I don’t see any reason you can’t use the spelling Taya: it’s common for nicknames to be spelled differently than the starting name. For example, it’s fine to use Abby for Abigail, instead of using Abi; it’s fine to use Bree for Brianna/Gabriella/Aubrey, instead of Bri/Brey; it’s fine to use Zac for Isaac, instead of Saac; it’s fine to use Joe for Joseph, instead of Jo; it’s fine to use Jake for Jacob, instead of Jac.

My first guess upon seeing Taya was TIE-yah (I think because I know one Maya and one Amaya, both of whom use the long-I pronunciation), but I immediately knew it could also be TAY-ya and would say it that way if reading from a class list (“TIE-yah, TAY-yah?”), and I would quickly learn to say TAY-ya. Téa Leoni helps a little with the pronunciation of the Tea spelling, and you could spell it her way with the accent over the E—though that does seem a little odd when the full name doesn’t have the accent. Well, I also think this is an area where you could let things evolve naturally if you don’t have negative feelings about any of the options: name her Mattea, and call her Taya/Tea/Téa, and see how the spelling shakes out over time. Personalized stuff can have “Mattea” on it, avoiding the issue for most situations.

When I see Corinna and Nora, I think of Cora. Cora Owens; Eli and Cora.

I’m sorry about the name Eliza, because it’s one of my top favorites—but I see what you mean about Eli and Eliza. I was trying to think of a name that seemed similar to me, and Fiona is the only one I can think of—but I don’t like it at all with Owens. Perhaps something like Penelope/Penny/Nell/Pip? I know you’d rather avoid a long name, but I think it works quite well when the boys and girls in a family have different types of names. A few more possibilities:

Cecily
Felicity
Genevieve
Georgia
Hazel
Josephine
Lydia
Philippa
Winifred

 

 

Name update!

Hi Swistle,
I am writing with a name update for our sweet new baby girl. I wrote to you awhile back and sadly, we miscarried shortly after you printed that letter. You and your readers were very helpful, however, and we tossed several of your suggested names around as we were naming this little lady. At the end of the day, we settled on a name that rose to the top of our list over the last several months. We love that it is classic, not super popular (yet?), and has a spunky nickname.  So far, it fits her perfectly.

Introducing Vivian “Vivi” Marie! We are over the moon in love!

Thanks again,
Lindsey, Nathan, and proud big brother Eli Dane

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Baby Naming Issue: Does a Cool Name Set Expectations?

Dear Swistle

My name is Amanda Dale and my husband’s name is Niall Aidan. Our last name is Beg-lee. My husband is Irish and I am culturally Jewish. Although we are not currently expecting, I love name searching! Boy’s names come pretty easily to me, and for now my favorites include: Connor, Theo, Brenner (my mom’s maiden name), Miller, Owen, and Declan. Despite my ease at finding suitable boys names, I have found a lot of anxiety in my search for a wonderful girl’s name. A lot of this anxiety seems to stem from what expectations I am placing on my future daughter with the name I choose- let me explain:

The names that I am most drawn to seem to be unisex names, and the reason, I believe, is what I call the “cool” factor. Growing up, I knew girl’s named Brett and Sloane, and they just seemed so ridiculously cool to me! I was never a particularly cool kid, and having a very common name didn’t add to my confidence level. Those names always stood out and have continued to draw me in.

On my “cool” name list include:

Emerson, Brett, Sutton, Logan, Piper, Tristan, Spencer, Wren, Leighton, Rowan,

Despite my obvious preference, I have serious hesitations about using these names. Given that neither I nor my husband were cool kids, I worry that giving my daughter a cool kid name will set expectations she simply won’t meet. I feel that kids with slightly off beat names really need the confidence to own those names, and while we can definitely harbor those feelings in her through parenting, I still worry that it may be too much of a weight to bear. I worry that years of people not knowing her gender will cause her undue grief..

Given these concerns, I find myself searching through and enjoying some old fashioned and more feminine name choices as well, which I feel are more “cute”. Some “cute” names that I have considered include:

Evelyn, Penelope, Madeleine, Eloise, Fiona, Lena, Lila

Despite liking these, I’m not sure I love these choices. Moreover, I’m not sure being “cute” is better than being “cool”! Are there any names you can think of that can help me bridge the gap- the perfect blend of unisex cool with a feminine touch so my daughter can enjoy being whatever she wants to be?

Thanks!

Amanda

 

Something I notice when I think back on the cool girls in high school is that their names were not necessarily cool: Stephanie, Monica, Lisa. Having a cool name might have further improved their coolness, it’s true—but their coolness seemed quite separate from their names. In some cases, a cool girl made her ordinary name cool by being cool herself: one example is Lynn, who had a Mom Name but forever changed the image of that name for me and probably many others at our school.

I remember some of them were given Cool Nicknames, based on in-jokes or surnames. One cool girl was called Shock (her actual name was Jennifer). A couple others were called by their surnames, which gave them the unisex/boyish/preppy sound. A girl whose name isn’t cool enough can increase the coolness if needed.

To look at the other side, I’m trying to think of the non-cool girls I knew who had cool names. I remember the first Mikayla I met: a new girl who came to the school mid-year. Her “weird name” (it’s hard to imagine it that way now!) was one more strike against her, and my guess is that she would have paid cash money to blend in a little more as a Melissa or a Nicole. The naming climate has changed considerably since then, though, and I wonder if that has considerably changed the way kids feel about other kids’ names. I do know my kids still report to me the “weird names” of other kids, and we’ve had to have discussions about that (“Kids don’t choose their own names; we don’t make fun of people’s names,” “That name is fairly common, it’s just the first time you’ve encountered someone with it,” etc.). It still seems based mostly on exposure: if they know someone with that name, they feel like it’s a normal name.

Another naming-climate issue is that unisex names are more common now. When I was a child, there was Erin/Aaron, some Jamie/Jaime and Cory/Corey; Tracy and Shannon were supposedly unisex but I knew only girls with those names (except for one male Tracy we felt sorry for). Girls who wanted something more unisex generally went the Andrea/Andy route: the feminine name with the boyish nickname. The recent naming situation is quite different: Jaden, Jordan, Avery, Cameron, Taylor, Riley—lots of names where I have to ask my kids if a particular classmate is male or female. A name that would have been startling on someone of the parent’s generation might be perfectly ordinary and non-expectation-setting on someone of the child’s generation.

In fact, we’re hindered in some ways by being The Parents: it’s hard to know which of the names we consider cool (or cute, or professional) will be considered cool by the children and their peers. It can help to imagine our own parents, and whether we think they’d be capable of choosing a name for us that our peers would consider cool.

One good solution might be to choose a name that is cool but also relatively common. Avery, for example, is unisex and strikes me as falling into the Cool category, but it was #12 for girls in 2013. This makes it familiar enough not to stand out in an uncomfortable way, and the number of Averys helps to dilute the associations people have with the name: if you know one cool Avery and one sporty Avery and one academic Avery, it’s harder to have expectations of other holders of the name. More possibilities of this sort: Harper, Taylor, Riley.

Another good solution might be to choose a name that’s cool and unisex but has a common and girlish nickname. Emerson from your list is a perfect example of this: she could easily go by Emmie or Emma if she preferred. Miller from your boy-name list would work well for this too, if you wanted something more daring: Milly/Millie is sweet.

Or you could do the opposite: give her a familiar/traditional girl name, but with a cool/unisex nickname. I recently encountered a Nicole my age who is going by Cole, which is a big change from all the Nickys. A Katherine could go by Kit; a Caroline could go by Rory; a Charlotte could go by Charlie or Chaz or Chip; a Juliette could go by Jet or Jules; an Alexandra could go by Al or Zan. I think this works particularly well with girl names that have boy versions, such as Charlotte/Charles and Alexandra/Alexander: it seems like any of the “boy” nicknames would be available for the girl version.

Another possibility is to use a very cool name, but use it as the middle name and then deliberately put it into rotation as one of her nicknames as she grows up. This gives her the option of using it if she wants to and/or it suits her, or hiding it if she doesn’t and/or it doesn’t.

Or I think it can be easier to pull off an unusual or cool name if there’s a good quick explanation for it. For example, if you used Brenner for a girl, she’d have “It was my grandmother’s maiden name.”

It may also reduce your concerns if you choose a unisex name that is used more often for girls: Emerson is now used mostly for girls, but Spencer and Tristan are used mostly for boys. Piper is used almost exclusively for girls. She’ll need to correct people less often with a name like Wren (48 new baby boys and 332 new baby girls in 2013) than with a name like Logan (12,270 new baby boys and 704 new baby girls in 2013).

When I think of names that seem “too cute,” I think of the ones that seem too lightweight: names chosen for a cute little baby girl that will feel silly or diminishing when she’s a grown woman. I feel nervous about giving examples for a category I just described so negatively, but perhaps it would help if I used one from my own generation: I know a Chrissy who would prefer to have something a little more solid to use now that she’s an adult, and I find it difficult to even use her name: it feels like I’m using an inappropriately affectionate nickname, and it also feels too babyish for her serious nature. Another of my peers has the given name Jenni: that’s another that seems too cute to me.

The names on your cute list don’t seem cute to me at all. Evelyn, Madeleine, Eloise, Lena—these are good solid traditional choices, nice vintage revivals. Penelope and Eloise and Fiona have a little more whimsy to them, but they’re still serious choices with good long histories. If your list were Maddi, Ellie, Evie, Fifi, and Pip, that would fit better with what I think of as “Maybe these might be too cute” list.

The big question here, though, is whether a cool name puts too much pressure on the child to be cool. I’ve been thinking about that since you wrote, and I find I can go either way on that. My first answer is yes: I do think it’s possible to burden a child with an overly cool name. I think a child can feel pressure from her name, and I think parents can inadvertently or deliberately put their own issues and expectations into a name. But if the parents like cool names, does that mean they shouldn’t use those names, just because it could be an issue? That’s where I start to come down on the other side of things.

I think my main advice is to see if you can figure out what style of name is your favorite, separate from the image of the names. That could be a nearly impossible task, since the image of a name is a huge part of whether it’s to our tastes or not. But what I mean is, see if you can separate “a cool name” from an image of “a cool high school girl.” See if it helps to do the same exercise I did: think of the cool girls you knew, and see if all of them had cool names or only some; think of the girls you knew with cool names, and see if all of them were cool or just some. Or when you’re out and about, mentally try the names on people of all ages and types to see how well you like the names with those people attached to them instead of to the cool girls from your memory. Picture various types of kids with various types of names; picture people your own age and your parents’ age with various types of names. Sit at the mall and watch people go by, and try the names on for size. Break the name from your image of the name as much as you can, and see if you still like the name.

But maybe you will do these exercises and realize that you like cool names because you like cool names: you DON’T feel like they’ll change your child’s temperament and you don’t even want them to, you DON’T mind if she doesn’t end up being cool, you’re NOT trying to correct for your own childhood experience—you just like cool names because you like them and they’re your preferred naming style. In that case, I would treat them as I’d treat any other name category: it’s considerate to build in some flexibility if possible (a middle name, a nickname, etc.), but as long as you’ve taken into account the things I can see you’re taking into account already (wondering how the names will fit on a variety of people, wondering how the child might feel about the name), it’s okay to go with the ones YOU like best. That’s what we all end up doing, whether our favorites are Margaret or Spencer or Chrissy. Then our children either like their names or don’t, just as we like our names or don’t, and they modify them if they need to—but most don’t need to.

I think the reason I had trouble deciding on this issue is that I feel one way up to a point, and then I feel a different way after that. I DO think it’s important to be aware of the seriousness of naming a child, and all the issues that can go along with choosing a name. I DO think it’s important to consider how the child might feel about the name, and what the consequences of each name might be. I DO think it’s important to separate names from our images and expectations of those names, so that we don’t accidentally feel as if giving a child a willowy, pretty, confident name will make her turn out willowy and pretty and confident. I DO think it’s important to imagine the names on plump plain receptionists as well as on popular pretty high school students.

But I ALSO think that we can only take this so far. We don’t know what the child will be like, and thinking about it a lot won’t tell us more. We don’t know how ANY name might fit the child, or how those names will be perceived as the child grows up. It would be silly to throw away a name we loved “in case it doesn’t fit,” and then have the child turn out to be a PERFECT fit for that name. And I think it’s possible to worry more than we need to: it is, in the end, just a name. For MANY names on the spectrum, the name is a stretchy garment that fits a great variety of wearers.

 

 

 

Name update:

Hi there,
Almost 6 whole years ago I wrote to you asking if a cool name sets expectations for a child. I wanted to give you an update! Since then I have had 3 boys. The first is 3, Charles “Charlie” Nolan. The other two are 2 month old twins- Henry Ethan and Graham Brenner. Funnily enough none of the names I liked back then were names we even considered using. While I still gravitate towards what I would consider “cool” names, when I actually had to name a real child some of those names felt totally wrong for my own children. Plus my husband seemed to only like names that you would find in the English monarchy (we almost ended up with Charles, Henry and George!).

Hope all is well during this crazy time
Amanda

Baby Girl Rhymes-with-Kerchew, Sister to Josephine Mae (Joey)

Dear Swistle,
I am due in September with a baby girl. We have a 4-year-old daughter named Josephine Mae who often goes by Joey. Our last name is French and hard to pronounce and rhymes with ker-CHEW and starts with a “ja” sound. My name is very unusual but simple and my husband’s name is fairly common. Because the last name is tricky, we’d like to find a name for our daughter that people are familiar with but isn’t ultra-popular, either. We lean towards classic/old-lady names. We like either Pearl or Claire for a middle name. This will be our last child. If she’d been a boy, we would have likely named him August George.

Names we both like:
Greta
Matilda (nn: Tilly, Millie, Molly) – this name would honor my grandmother
Sadie
Clara

Maybes:
Delia
Caroline (nn: Cal)
Edith (nn: Edie) – meaningful family connection
Hilda – would honor my husband’s grandmother
Ruby

Names I like:
Beatrice
Louise
Luisa
Nell

Names my husband likes:
Mariana
Priscilla
Ida

Names we like but probably won’t use for various reasons:
Eliza (an Eliza and an Elizabeth already in the family)
Henrietta (close friend with new baby with same name)
Emmaline (close friend Emily; Emma is so popular)
Clementine (too spunky?)
Avelina (pronunciation an issue)
Adelaide (friend’s baby’s name)
Juniper (too much alliteration with Josephine and our last name)

We’d love your (and your readers’) thoughts and suggestions!
Thanks much,
Nameless in Seattle

 

With the sibling name Josephine, I’d be inclined to go with the long version of Greta and then use Greta as the nickname. Josephine (Joey) and Margaret (Greta).

Sadie is more difficult, because it’s a nickname for Sarah but I’m not sure that’s well-known, and because I don’t think Josephine and Sarah go together better than Josephine and Sadie; in fact, I much prefer Josephine and Sadie. But Sadie still seems nicknamey to me with Josephine. Joey and Sadie are very cute together.

Clara is an excellent style fit, but it bothers me just a little bit that it doesn’t have a nickname similar to Joey. (But if you were writing to say it was your favorite and you were concerned that it didn’t have a nickname, I’d be brushing that concern aside.)

If Margaret/Greta is not an appealing option, then my top choice on your list is Matilda. I like that it’s similar in length to Josephine, with similar nickname options; I also like that it would honor your grandmother (and with the -ilda ending, it comes close to also honoring your husband’s grandmother Hilda). I immediately want to use a short middle name starting with J, to coordinate with Mae. Josephine Mae and Matilda Joy, for example: each girl’s middle name would start with the first two letters of the other girl’s first name. But that’s just playing around for fun.

I might also take Delia from your Maybe list and make it into Cordelia, which gives you Cory as a nickname option. Josephine and Cordelia; Joey and Cory.

Because you like Henrietta but can’t use it, I suggest Harriet. Josephine and Harriet; Joey and Hattie.

Because you like Eliza but can’t use it, I suggest Eloise. Josephine and Eloise. I’m not sure what to suggest as the nickname for Eloise. Ellie, I suppose. Or I’ve seen Lola suggested, but it doesn’t feel natural to me; perhaps it WOULD come about naturally, though, or perhaps another nickname would instead. (This is how I feel about Clara as well: perhaps she would be called Clary, or perhaps something else would develop on its own.)

Because you like August for a boy, I suggest Augusta. Josephine and Augusta; Joey and Gussie.

Edith on your list makes me think of Meredith. Josephine and Meredith; Joey and Merrie. But that may ruin the family connection element.

 

 

Name update!

Dear Swistle,
Thank you so much to you and your readers for your input on our naming debate! We loved reading through the comments and getting opinions from people who were not our family and friends.

Our second daughter was born on September 25th and we named her Matilda Louise. We’ve been calling her Tilly and Tilly Lou. Matilda honors grandmothers on both sides of the family and Louise honors my husband’s great-aunt. Big sister Josephine is in love, as are we.

Thanks again!

Matilda

Baby Girl Dur, Sister to Sebastian

Dear Swistle,

I love lurking on your baby names blog and am hoping you and your astute readers can help me come up with a name for Baby #2. We just found out she’s a girl, and she is due in mid-November.

Our last name is a real challenge! It’s a one-syllable name that starts with D and rhymes with “fur” (as in animal fur). Because of our clunky last name, I think the first name needs to have a minimum of two syllables, and preferably more, to balance it out. The other problem is that many names become words when attached to our last name (think Bender (Ben), Leader (Lee), Colander (Colin), etc.). This is a bigger problem with boy names than with girl names, but happens with certain girl names, too (Cora becomes “corridor” in some accents, for instance).

Our firstborn is a boy named Sebastian. Things we particularly love about his name: three syllables, doesn’t naturally nickname to anything that sounds weird with our last name, is an “old” name with some historical weight, and has pronunciations in multiple languages so it should travel well with him in the future, hopefully. Oh, and we like the literary association with Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night (my husband and I are both big readers, and I love theatre).

If this baby had turned out to be a boy, we were kicking around the names Julian, Byron, Beckett, and August. We do hope to have three children ultimately, so these are still on the table for a potential future boy.

As for a name for this baby girl, we both love the name Joanna. It has been a long-time favorite of mine, for many of the same reasons I love Sebastian (literary/theatre associations, a name with a long history, will travel well with its multiple pronunciations). And my husband is enamored of the idea of calling her Joey or Jo-Jo as a nickname. He likes girl names with a masculine nickname. However, it dawned on me the other day that one of the names we always joke we can never name a baby is Jan(n)a, because she’d be Jana Dur…do you hear it? Is Joanna Dur just too close to the same association as Jana Dur? I’d love to think that extra syllable and the O nixes the broom closet association for anyone but overly-critical me, but now that I’ve heard it I can’t unhear it. My husband is also concerned that people would call her “Jo [Dur],” which sounds an awful lot like “Joe Dirt”, the title of a David Spade comedy circa 2001. Obviously that wouldn’t be an association for her peers, but it probably is for many of ours (and it’s not a positive association, in my opinion). What do you think? Do we need to give up on the idea of using Joanna? We really do love it…

Our runner-up name (which is actually starting to become more appealing in my eyes) is Louisa. I like it for most of the same reasons I like Joanna. I have also always liked the name Lula, and think it could work as a nickname for Louisa. My husband also likes the name a lot, and likes that she could be Lou or Lula. (I do realize that Lou [Dur] is “looter,” but that doesn’t bother me, mostly because how often do you actually hear someone being referred to as a “looter”? It’s just not a common word, I don’t think.) I wonder if Louisa is just going to be super polarizing, though. I definitely don’t need everyone in the world to love or even like my child’s name. Sebastian has turned out to be pretty polarizing, with plenty of people telling me how much they adore it, but others–typically relatives from the older generation–struggling with it. I think Louisa is lovely, and if it’s going to get a mixed reaction similar to Sebastian, I am fine with that. But is Louisa a Bertha/Gladys/Lois? (In other words, is it an old lady name that is still firmly an old lady name and that’s going to get primarily a “Why did you do that to your child?!” reaction? I am not sure I want to be that much of a trailblazer!)

Here are some other names we seriously considered but ultimately vetoed:
Rosemary (we both love this one, but my husband doesn’t think he can get past the Rosemary’s Baby association; we are still very seriously considering it for the middle name slot)
Charlotte (just can’t handle how popular it has become in our region–our son’s name has turned out to be more popular than I would have liked, and Charlotte is way more popular than Sebastian around here; this is also a front-runner for the middle name slot, though)
Layla (husband likes this one a lot, but it is such a different style from Sebastian, and is a bit too trendy)
Wilhelmina (husband thinks it’s a mouthful, but does like the nickname Minnie)
Rosanna (seems like it should be a perfect mash-up of Rosemary and Joanna, but I just don’t like it for some reason…maybe the Toto song ruined it for me)

So, thoughts on Joanna and/or Louisa? We still have approximately 20 weeks to go, so I’m also open to other suggestions of long names with the potential for masculine/androgynous/peppy nicknames.

Thanks so much!

Ashley

 

I can definitely say Joanna Dur so that it has a hint of janitor about it, but I have to deliberately say it to the wrong rhythm to get there: jo-ANNa-dur instead of joANna (*slight pause*) DUR. And even doing that, it still only sort of sounds like it. Plus, as I understand it after being corrected embarrassingly in conversation by someone who held that job, the job title is now custodian (though that helps little if the word janitor is still in regular usage).

If the name were Jo Dur, the movie Joe Dirt would never have come to my mind—but then, I don’t have any memory of hearing about that movie, though I must have at the time.

I don’t think Louisa is a Bertha/Gladys/Lois. The names Louise and Louisa have come up many times around here, but I just checked the archives and Bertha/Gladys never have. (I couldn’t check Lois because the search results included all the Eloises.)

Now let’s check the Social Security Administration’s data base to see the current usage of the names. Here’s how many new baby girls were given each name in 2013:

Louisa: 241
Louise: 196

Bertha: 26
Gladys: 69
Lois: 78

So I wouldn’t put Louisa in the same category as Bertha/Gladys/Lois—and the number of times I’ve seen it on other parents’ lists makes me think we may see more of it soon.

On the other hand, neither would I put it in the same category as Sebastian: in 2013 there were 7,495 new baby boys named Sebastian. Louisa hasn’t been in the Top 1000 since 1969, but the name Sebastian is in the Top 50 now: #45 in 2013. Girl names of similar popularity to Sebastian would be Arianna, Scarlett, Claire, and Alexis by ranking, or Evelyn, Natalie, and Grace by birth numbers. Evelyn seems like the best name of the group for comparison: it’s a popular vintage revival that has raised a few grandparent eyebrows.

Let’s look at the name Joanna, while we’re at it. It was #342 in 2013; 938 new baby girls were given the name; another 557 were named Johanna (Johanna was #531).

The name Josephine is more similar to Sebastian: it was #160 in 2013, given to 1,996 new baby girls. And Josephine would be a very nice option, if it meets the other preferences. Sebastian and Josephine seems like excellent sibling names to me, and Josephine eliminates the janitor issue if not the Joe Dirt issue. You’d still have the nicknames Jo and Joey, and you’d add Josie and Fina.

Similar to Louisa is Eloise: it was #338 in 2013; 944 new baby girls were given the name.

Or Eliza: it was #200; 1603 new baby girls were given the name.

I think all this discussion makes it look as if I’m leaning away from Joanna/Louisa, but actually I think both are great names and great candidates for this baby, and I don’t think any of the issues raised are enough to rule them out. But I feel from your letter as if you might come down on a different side of that decision.

We recently made a list of longer girl names with short boyish nicknames for another post, so I’m going to copy that list here:

Antonia/Toni
Augusta/Gus/Gussie
Bernadette/Bennie/Bernie
Calista/Cal
Colette/Cole
Danica/Danny
Francesca/Frankie/Frank
Georgia/Georgie/George
Georgianna/Georgie/George
Josephine/Jo
Katherine/Kit
Louisa/Lou
Philomena/Phil
Matilda/Mattie
Theodora/Theo
Thomasina/Tommie/Tom
Veronica/Ronnie/Ron
Winifred/Freddie/Fred

Cole Dur turns to Colder, Danny is getting uncomfortably close to Dander, Theo Dur turns into Theodore—but after that I start to feel like I’m reaching. For example, I suppose Mattie could turn into Matt and then Matt Dur could sound like Matter; I suppose Phil Dur might sound like filter, but not much teasing potential there.

 

 

Name update!

Hi Swistle,

I wanted to thank you and your readers for your help in naming our baby girl. Louisa Hazel was born on November 8th. We settled on the name Louisa shortly after writing to you. I think I just needed to hear from others that our choice wasn’t too unusual. Her name suits her perfectly, and when we announced her name reactions from friends and family were overwhelmingly positive. So far we just call her Louisa, although her big brother calls her “Baby Weeza,” so that has caught on as well. Thanks again for the help!

Ashley

P.S.-A picture is attached.

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Baby Name to Consider: Aviatrix

Meighan writes:

Hi! We’re expecting a daughter in October; she’s our first child, and maybe all this power is going to my head, but I really like the name Aviatrix.

Yeah, I know, but hear me out. To me, it sounds adventurous and brave, good qualities for a little girl and a grown woman. It has an old-timey feel, but isn’t actually an old name (avoiding being one of the many old-lady named kids in her class.) Also, I just generally like names with Vs and Xs in them (Beatrix and Vivianne are also in the running.) as well as occupation/word names (like Archer and Hazel). We would probably call her Avey or Trixie as a nickname, and her last name sounds like Muh-half-fee.

So, my questions are these:

A: Am I a crazy person? When I told my mom about it, she just said “Thank goodness this kid has [my wife]” with the very clear implication that I am a nutball for liking this one. My wife is…not totally on board, but has said she is persuadable.

B: Any suggestions for a less unusual middle name so that if she hates it utterly she can go by something else? I like Lyra, Zora and Wren, the wife likes Rose and Hazel. She will also have my wife’s maiden name as a second middle name (sounds like Mack-na-me) which is fairly non-negotiable (long story, my wife and I hyphenated, but we’re not giving a 6-syllable last name to a kid, especially one that sounds like Irish-McIrish. So this is the compromise.)

Thanks much for any input you have!

Cheers,
Meighan (as you can see, I’m used to weirdly spelled names, but you pronounce it May-gan)

 

One of the baby name topics I think about while folding the laundry or stirring the soup is how certain words in a category are used as names and others aren’t: in general we use Scarlet but not Magenta, Violet but not Lilac, Ruby but not Topaz. In the occupational names category, Mason is Top 10 right now; other common examples are Carter, Harper, Cooper, Sawyer, Spencer, Tanner, Taylor. And certainly it’s not shocking to see Sailor, Hunter, Shepherd, Miller, Piper, Archer, and Deacon. So why isn’t Aviatrix already being used as a name?

Part of it is that a big chunk of the currently-popular occupation names aren’t used as words anymore—or not commonly. I only know Cooper is an occupation name because I’ve seen it in the lists. I don’t know anyone who’s a sawyer, but the name Lawyer would be more familiar/confusing.

Part of it is that certain professions became used as surnames, and thus started seeming Name-Like. Perhaps the reason we don’t name children Programmer or Mechanic is that those professions didn’t get turned into surnames, so they don’t seem name-like even though Miller and Mason do.

Aviatrix falls into that group for me: it doesn’t feel like a name. It OUGHT to feel like a name, based on its name-like elements: the popular Ayve sound at the beginning, the same -trix as Beatrix. And I don’t know anyone who’s an aviatrix, so it ought to pass that test as well. But it doesn’t to me. It feels like naming a child Seamstress, or Schoolmistress, or Dominatrix, or Shepherdess: a nice sound, but it doesn’t pass the test of “Would I want to introduce myself with this name?” Another of our favorite tests around here is the Starbucks Test: ordering a coffee (or anything where they ask for a name when you order) using the name under consideration. It’s a good way to get reactions to the name: your own as well as a stranger’s.

I see what you mean about the old-timey feel: the name itself doesn’t feel like an old-fashioned name, but it immediately brings to mind a sepia-tinted image of Amelia Earhart. Though because Amelia Earhart is so well known, and is perhaps the only context in which I’ve heard the word aviatrix, it does have a bit of a doomed/tragic feeling to me.

There’s another vintage element here, which is that aviatrix is an example of a word that was modified for no other reason than that it involved a woman. We wouldn’t call a woman who flies planes an aviatrix anymore: we’d call her a pilot or an aviator. It’s because of something important, which is the realization that two people doing the same thing can have the same title, even if one of them is a girl: we don’t need to call someone a Manageress or a Lady Lawyer or a Doctorette. Maybe this evolved concept of unnecessary feminization is part of what frees up the word aviatrix to be used for its lovely vintage sound, but for me that vintage sound comes with some vintage baggage.

On the other hand, this is the sort of thought process that doesn’t necessarily apply to everyday life. When I hear the name Sawyer, I don’t think of the danger of old-timey work conditions and the importance of OSHA. And the name Mason has certainly had its share of negative associations/history, without those hurting its popularity. I think what might be making the difference here is familiarity: when a name is familiar as a name, we don’t unpack the baggage of its origins every time we hear it: it hits our ears as A Name. But Aviatrix is not familiar as a name, so it hits the ear as A Word, with all the accompanying meanings and associations.

If you’re looking for a less-unusual middle name for her to fall back on, your wife’s suggestion of Rose seems perfect; Hazel would be my second choice from the list, though I might keep looking to find something even more familiar/classic. The other choices are very uncommon and distinctive: Lyra and Zora aren’t in the Top 1000, and Wren in is the 800s. Even Hazel and Rose are fairly uncommon (Hazel is #157 and Rose is #224), but the popularity of Rose as a middle name makes it feel more familiar. I would be more inclined to use Aviatrix as the middle name where its brave and adventurous qualities can be appreciated without having to be a daily issue. Hazel Aviatrix would be a pretty smashing name.

But I don’t think it would be crazy to use it as the first name. The fact that you’re willing for her to use a nickname goes a long way toward making the name workable, and this is an era of unusual names. I do think it would be good, if you’re planning more children, to think ahead of time about what names would work as sibling names.

Let’s see what everyone else thinks!

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Name update!

Hello Swistle! I wanted to update you on our fabulous girl, for whom we had considered the name Aviatrix. There was enough negative feedback that I relented and considered other options; this kid does have to live in the world after all, not just my imagination. Luckily, after kicking it around a little more, we settled on Beatrix Dare, which I love without reservation and I think still hits all the notes we wanted. Beatrix means “happy/blessed traveler” and Dare is for a) Dare County, NC, where our family has a home and where we have some wonderful memories, b) namesake of Virginia Dare, first European born in the “New World” and c) just a great verb that keeps the adventurous spirit we wanted for our curious little girl.
We call her Bix for short, which is what finally sold me on Beatrix. It’s not a nickname you hear a lot, but it’s cute and fun and a little unisex, and we love it.
Thanks for all your help; a picture is attached so everyone can see Bix! Cheers, Meigh

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Baby Naming Issue: A Repeated -er/-ur Ending

I am expecting my first baby (a boy) this September and my husband and I are just starting to seriously come up with a list of names. This question is about repetitive sounds in first and last names.

This baby will most likely have the last name Parker, which made us initially discount any names ending in “er” or “ur.” For example, although we like the names Arthur, Walter and Asher we felt that the repeat final sounds in the first and last names was too much. Now? I’m not sure. What do you think?

Another wrinkle is this. My last name is Fox Parker (my maiden name is Fox) and we are considering using Fox Parker as a possible last name. Does that eliminate any possible issues with the repeat “er” sounds?

Thanks!

Lindsey

 

I think most repeated-sound issues end up being decided on a name-by-name basis. For example, Archer Parker feels awkward and sing-songy to me, and so does Walker Parker, but Christopher Parker and Walter Parker less so. Part of it has to do with how much of the ending is repeated (as in the case of WalKER ParKER), and part of it has to do with whether there is an additional repeated sound (as in the case of ARchER PARkER), and part of it has to do with a harder-to-put-a-finger-on thing involving the overall feeling/sound of the particular name and whether it feels/sounds odd or amusing or sing-songy.

And of course part of it is going to be pure personal taste: some of us like repeated sounds and some of us don’t. I’ve found it very interesting to go through my son’s yearbook or look at the credits on a movie or TV show, and see how many people have names I would have thought were off the table—things like Mason Emerson. And yet once those names are chosen, they sound fine to me.

One thing that can help considerably is having a different number of syllables in the two names, which is one reason I think Mason Emerson works. Arthur Parker sounds a little off to me, in part because the matched number of syllables draws attention to the repeating sounds. If you had a name such as Sylvester Parker, the repeated ending would be less noticeable. Unfortunately, most -er names are two syllables.

Another thing that can help is the familiarity of the first name: Christopher Parker is less noticeably repetitive not only because Christopher is three syllables instead of two, but also because Christopher is such a familiar name we don’t stop to consider it as thoroughly as we would if the name were Runner Parker.

Which brings me to the third thing that can help, which is avoiding names that are also words. Walter Parker sounds like two names; Walker Parker sounds like two nouns.

Your idea of using Fox Parker as the surname helps in one way and hurts in another. It helps because a three-syllable surname makes it easier to use a two-syllable first name. It hurts because it adds another word-name to the mix, and gives the whole name a potentially more whimsical sound.

(One option would be to use Fox as the family surname, though it is perhaps a bit late for that decision. Arthur Fox is terrific, as are Asher Fox and Walter Fox.)

In short, I don’t think you have to rule out all -er/-ur names just because the surname ends in -er. I do think -er/-ur is one of the trickier repeated end-sounds to pull off, because of the way it can make names sound like nouns, but I can see how it could work.

Another option is to use your favorite -er/-ur name as a middle name, where the repetition will be less noticeable.

Or use the -er/-ur names you like as starting points for finding other names you like. If you like Walter, perhaps you’ll like Walton, Wallace, Franklin, or Frederick. If you like Arthur, perhaps you’ll like Albert, Robert, Kenneth, Gareth, Nathaniel, Ethan, Edward, or Everett. If you like Asher, perhaps you’ll like Caleb, Zachary, Ezra, Abram, or Gideon.

Or you might find you like the repeating sound a lot more if it’s not at the END of the first name. Robert, Albert, Gilbert, Everett, Vernon, Murphy, Murray, Frederick, Roderick, Zachary, Montgomery, Richard, Edward, Anderson, Jefferson, Ernest, Jeffery, Geoffrey, Curtis, etc.

 

 

Name update!

Good grief this is embarrassing! But at least it’s happening. Better late than never, right? <cringes>

After all of your helpful advice and the suggestions of kind readers our name choice probably seems like it is out of left field. Our little boy Leo (first) Fox (middle) Parker (last) was born on August 12, 2014 weighing exactly 4lbs. That’s right, no er/ur in sight! I know, how rude.

The thing is, Leo arrived a surprising (and somewhat scary) 6 weeks early. While we waited to be induced in the hospital I turned to my husband and declared that our baby needed a name that was small and mighty, the two things we knew to be true of our son. He said, “Leo?” And that was it! Our little lion heart had a name. And to imagine we’d agonized over it for months and months.

(My husband had Leo on his list early in the process but I’d rejected it because I didn’t love any of the longer versions for what I called a nickname name. Silly me. It’s totally perfect. Ha.)

I’ve attached two photos in the hope that they make up for my gross tardiness. One from his third week of life, and one from last week. Leo’s favourite things today include: smiling at strangers, playing with laces, trying to eat blades of grass, and scrunching up paper. We think he’s super amazing.

Thanks for your patience. I hope this embarrassing update entices others to come out of the closet of Swistle shame to do the same. Guys! Just send an update. You can do it.

Belatedly,

Lindsey

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Baby Girl Wingate, Sister to Roland Deen

Emily writes:

We r expecting a baby girl in 3 months. We are having problems deciding on a first name and pairing middle names. We chose our first baby’s name with such ease. I am worried that my and my Husband’s taste in girl names are so different, that we may never fully agree on a name like we did our son’s. Please Help!
Possible combinations that we are looking at that we cant narrow down or decided on:

Navy Lil (I feel like it gives it a girly touch and is my pick tho my husband isn’t sold. Lillian was a Grandparents name.)
Navy Jean (Jean is an aunt my husband is fond of) (I do think Navy Jean and Roland Deen sound cute…)
Navy Northern (I am afraid that it sounds too much like a boy name)
Navy Marks (Mark is my Husband’s name and for a girl I like with the ‘s’)
Capers Cruz
Capers Mark (Is it too much like a boy?)
Capers Lil
Kersey Cruz (Kersey is my Mother’s maiden name. I only like the names together and i don’t like Kersey alone.)

Any suggestions or outside opinions are very welcome!

 

If we were sitting together having coffee and talking this over, I think I’d start by asking for the story of how you chose your son’s name, and how you arrived at the candidates on your current list. Roland is an old and solid name with romantic/knight associations, and Dean is an old surname name that came into style again in the mid 20th century. It’s common for parents to have a different style for boy names and girl names, but the gap between Roland Deen and names like Navy, Northern, and Capers is a large and unexpected one. I would have expected a pairing more like Roland Deen and Lillian Jean, or Roland Deen and Lillian Kersey.

Capers is not currently used as a name in the United States for either boys or girls. The first syllable, which sounds like Kay, is very familiar as a name segment. The second syllable is partially found in names such as Harper, Juniper, and Piper, but -pers is not used as a name ending for any names currently used in the United States. For me the name Capers brings to mind the recipe ingredient and the actions of a court jester; neither is a positive association applied to a person. I also think of capes and papers and vapors, and I see a rearrangement of the name Casper.

A similar name is Caprice: it was given to 27 new baby girls in 2013.

Or would you like Cypress? It was given to 40 new baby girls and 24 new baby boys in 2013.

Navy is more familiar as a name: 78 new baby girls and 13 new baby boys were given the name in 2013. Navy Wingate has an appealing look to it, I think, though I find it a little less pleasing to say aloud.

Kersey is an interesting one to consider; I love the idea of salvaging a family name from your mom’s branch of the tree. If you don’t like it alone, though, it seems like it would be wise to cross it off the list: it’s likely that even if you started by always calling her Kersey Cruz, the Cruz would eventually be dropped. Would you like it without Cruz if Kersey were the middle name instead of the first name?

My next choice from your list is Navy Jean. My one hesitation is that it makes me think of navy beans and navy jeans—but does anyone actually say “navy jeans”? I don’t think so, but the pairing made it come to my mind. Oh, I think it’s because of Old Navy jeans.

A similar name is Ivy. Ivy Jean Wingate; Roland and Ivy.

Or Silvie. Silvie Jean Wingate; Roland and Silvie.

Vienna has sounds similar to Navy, in a different order. Vienna Wingate; Roland and Vienna.

Or Neeve, or Neva, or Geneva.

Mark as a middle name does spin the first name boy for me, as does Cruz. Marks brings to mind Richard Marx, Karl Marx, and the Marx Brothers. I wonder if you’d like Marlie? Or my mother used to know a little girl named Marksy and really liked the name on her.

Northern brings to mind Kim Kardashian and Kanye West’s baby North; that association may lose impact with time, depending on how successful the family is in holding the media’s attention, and you’d be using it as a middle name anyway. But ____ Northern Wingate sounds very place-name to me—like an area of town, or a gated community. I also notice that Navy and Northern are both varieties of beans.

It seems like what you like in a girl name is something unusual and distinctive, unisex or at least not frilly-feminine, and possibly also a word name. I wonder if you’d like any of these:

Avalon
Avril
Briar
Britton
Calista
Campbell
Carlisle
Clarity
Darby
Devany
Ellison
Emlyn
Greer
Haven
Hollis
Jensen
Keatyn
Lark
Lennox
Lyric
Madigan
Merritt
Oakley
Opal
Padgett
Paisley
Sterling
Wren
Yeardley

Some of these have issues similar to the ones mentioned above: sounding like places with the surname, or getting rather noun-heavy, or being a surprising combination with Roland. But these are personal preference things: if they don’t bother you, they don’t need to be taken heavily into account.

My favorite two middle name choices are Jean (family name, sounds great with so many names) and Kersey (family surname), unless you only like Kersey as a first name. Or Emlyn might make a middle name similar to your own name. Avalon Jean Wingate. Merritt Kersey Wingate. Paisley Emlyn Wingate. Padgett Jean Wingate. Opal Kersey Wingate. Hollis Emlyn Wingate.

 

 

 

Name update:

We are excited to announce that Navy Amelia Wingate arrived September 9th! She was 6 lbs and 8 oz and was 19″ long! Thank you Swistle for all of the advice!

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Baby Boy Pibb-with-a-G

Hilary writes:

I love your blog and I need your thoughtful advice! We are due in just 5 weeks at the end of June. After struggling with infertility, we are thrilled to be welcoming a little boy into our lives.

But…we are having a really hard time with the name! I had hoped this would be a fun process and we would choose a name we really loved together. But, it turns out we have very different styles. I don’t find it fun to talk names anymore. My suggestions are deemed “boring.”

I am a writer, and language and meaning and flow have always been really important to me. And unfortunately, I do not like the sound of any of the names my husband likes.

He is really, really into Germanic and Scandinavian names. (Made worse by a trip we took to Norway and Sweden this past summer.) Efforts to get him to come up with other names have failed–he’s just really focused on a small set of names.

People have asked if he’s Swedish, and he does have German/Dutch blood in his background, but that’s it. So it feels a bit weird to pick a powerhouse Scandi name.

I feel really terrible that I don’t like any of his choices! At this point, he says he just wants to pick something. And since this will likely be our only baby, I really wanted this to be a joint decision. Help!

We do agree it needs to be at least a two-syllable name. And we do have a middle name: Malcolm. It’s my father and brother’s middle name. The baby will have my husband’s last name: Pibb-with-a-G.

Husband’s choices:
Lars
Magnus
Gustav (which has become the baby’s in utero name)
Johan (Husband’s only name choice when we met 7 years ago…I am ok-ish with this one, we could use the nickname Hans)
Anders
Eugene (!)
Colin
(For girls, he loves the names June and Freya, which I could have gotten onboard with, and Penelope which I don’t like)

(Please note–I am from Massachusetts and I don’t want to call my poor baby “Lahs” and all these long “a”s get challenging for me, esp with Hans and Anders)

I would prefer a name with a B, G, or a short I in it as I think they sound better with the last name but it’s not a hard and fast rule!

Names I like in no particular order:

Asa
Hugh
Lewis (husband hates)
Ian (I love, husband hates)
Alden
Owen (too popular?)
Graeme (sounds a bit funny with the last name)
Benjamin (I really like this one, husband is ho hum)
Thomas (“boring!”)
Peter
Samuel
Julian
Christopher (nickname “Kit”)
Henry
Alfred
Fergus
Harald
Frederick (can’t use)

(For girls, I like Beatrix, Hazel, Helen, Susanna, Pheobe, Ingrid, Frieda, and Elisabeth)

Names we both like well enough but seem completely different in style:

Abraham (I love the nickname Bram, but this name too big? too biblical? Will he be called Ham? We do both like this one)
Oskar
Angus (husband loves Gus, but is this name too beefy?)

What should we do? Have I missed some awesome Scandi names that I could love? Should I just present my husband with an acceptable list and let him choose? Are there names that sound better with Pibb-with-a-G that we have not considered?

Is Abraham a huge and burdensome name for a kid?

Neither my husband’s name or my own lends itself to a nickname, which is fine, but it would be fun if the baby could have a nicknameable name.

Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated!!!

 

 

 

Name update!

Hi Swistle,

First of all–thank you to everyone who commented on the post! My husband and I had some really good conversations after we read through them all. (We were especially amused by the suggestions to use Ivan, which is my brother’s name! It’s a great name, in case anyone is considering it, ahem.) We took Oskar off the table, eventually, but still couldn’t make a decision.

My water broke early at 37 weeks. The night before, my husband had said perhaps we should use Ian. I was surprised–since I love Ian but he had maintained he hated it–until he confessed that night that since Ian Desmond of the Washington Nationals was doing so well, it didn’t seem so bad. (He’s a huge baseball fan.)

Next thing we know, it’s 5 am and we are running around in a panic trying to throw clothes and supplies in a bag. We ended up hanging out in Labor and Delivery for many many hours and flipping through the baby name book with increasing panic! My husband looked up from perusing baseball on his phone and said, “How about Desmond?” To which I said, “Like, Ian Desmond? Hey, I like that.” (I’ve lived in England and Ireland so it was a familiar first name to me.)

So, by the time I ended up with a c-section hours and hours later, we had 5 names on the wipeboard: Abraham, Ian, Henry, Desmond, and something I no longer recall. The nurses were very amused and offered various opinions. They were voting for Ian.

But when they finally handed us our baby, we looked at him and thought, this kid seems like a Desmond. And one year later, it still suits his sweet personality. We call him Des and Desi, and we are very happy with it.

(And my dad was thrilled to have his name as the honor name in the middle, and my brother was pleased as well!)

Thank you again!

Desmond