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Baby Girl A., Sister to Sawyer Beatrice

Hi Swistle,

We’re quickly approaching baby #2’s due date and are lost on what to name her. Our second daughter is due on May 30th (though, I anticipate she’ll be a few weeks early, due to a few complications I’m experiencing.) We have a 3-year-old named Sawyer Beatrice (Beatrice is a family name) – we went into the hospital with 25 names when she was born, and I was certain she would be named Grey. 4 days later, hubby convinced me that his choice of ‘Sawyer’ would be a perfect name for a life we hope is filled with adventure. Of course it fits her perfectly now.

Our last name starts with an ‘Abe’ and ends in -son, and if we were having a boy, favorites would include Crew + Grey. We’ve agreed upon two names so far for girls: Finley and Wren. We were pretty close to deciding on Finley, when my hubby realized there were far too many people in his office with little Finley’s at home, so that name is hanging in limbo. While we like Wren, we just haven’t fallen in love with it, so we continue the search. We are open to a middle name, likely something feminine knowing that we’ll choose a first name that is unisex to align with Sawyer, though the family name Kathryn is a strong option for the middle name.

Other names we’ve discussed:

Rowan (I love, husband ruled out for both girls as he has a business partner with a son Rowan)
Milo (hubby does not like)
Luca (just used by good friends for a boy)
Malou (hubby keeps singing “skip to Ma-lou” when we discuss)
Winter, nn Winnie (hubby’s choice, I do not like it)

As you can see, we like unisex names, though nothing overly popular for both genders (especially the Charlie’s, Riley’s and Alex’s). I also like the idea of connecting the sib-set with the ‘w’ or ‘y’ in the name, though definitely not tied to this idea. Because of our last name, I’m trying to avoid first names stating with ‘A’ (as initials would be ‘AA’) and any names that end in -son. As an avid reader of your helpful advice since trying to choose my first daughter’s name, I would certainly love your take on ideas for baby girl #2.

Sincerely,
Nicole

 

I think I might start here by finding out exactly how many Finleys are involved in your husband’s office: if you both love and agreed on the name, and it seems to me a near-perfect choice with Sawyer, it would be a shame to cross it off the list unnecessarily. There definitely can be little pockets of a name, but are we talking ten co-workers with children named Finley, or are we talking two? I remember one day when I was pregnant with William and we’d already chosen his name, I took toddler Robert for his two-year check-up and then to have his two-year portraits done—and there was a baby William in each waiting room! I went home in a panic, telling Paul we couldn’t use that name. But…it was only two Williams total. It just FELT like a lot of Williams because of the coincidence, and because I was highly sensitive to hearing that name once we’d chosen it.

But if we’re talking a truly surprising number of baby Finleys, I can see how that might take the shine off the name. For other possibilities to consider, I’d look for another unisex and/or surname name, ideally one used more often for boys (according to the Social Security Administration, the name Sawyer was used for 1,272 new baby girls and 4,213 new baby boys in 2016):

Baxter
Beckett
Bennett
Brady
Brecken
Callan
Carter
Chandler
Channing
Colby
Collins
Crosby
Declan
Elliott
Ellis
Emmett
Emory
Flynn
Hollis
Keane
Keegan
Lennox
Lachlan/Locklyn
Logan
Merrill
Merritt
Miller
Padgett
Presley
Quincy
Reeve
Sterling
Teague
Tiernan
Tyler
Winslow
Yates

It’s a little tricky: so many surnames end in -son (duplicating your surname) or -er (duplicating the sibling name). I left a few of the -er names in because there are just SO MANY, it seemed wrong to rule them out entirely—but sometimes the resulting pairing makes me think of the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker. For example, I thought Miller might be a great candidate, but does “Sawyer and Miller” sound like two side-by-side shops in the village?

I particularly like the idea of Winslow. It’s similar to your husband’s choice of Winter/Winnie, and to your choices of Rowan and Milo.

 

 

 

Name update:

I don’t think a follow up ever got posted here… for those wondering, we went with Quinn for our second baby girl to big sister Sawyer. It took three days after she was born to name her, at which point we still couldn’t choose and narrowed it down to two and let big sister pick. In the end, it fits her perfectly of course. I still think of this name list from time to time, and how it really helped me narrow down what names I liked, brought fresh ideas even after a long search, and confirmed that in the end I would figure out the perfect name for my daughter. This list was an important stop on the journey to meeting our girl. Thanks to all for the suggestion, and especially to Swistle!

Baby Boy Nordson, Brother to Warren and Lee

Hi Swistle!

I’m Becca and my husband is Don. We are expecting our 3rd (and last!) boy the first week of June, and we are really struggling to find a definite name. I hate to feel the little guy moving around and not having a name for him. I hope you can help. I always like what you and your readers come up with!

Our boys are named Warren Isaac and Lee Anthony. They have Don’s last name, which is like Nordson, and so will the baby. My last name is kind of like Waylon, and I might use it as a middle.

Warren’s name was a my favorite name all the way back since middle school, but Don loved it too, so it felt like a joint decision. Isaac in the middle was just because we liked it and for the initials WIN.

Lee was harder to name. Don has never been the name suggestor and he didn’t like any of my favorites at the time. I just started listing any name I could think of that I didn’t hate and he clung to Lee. I didn’t really like it that much at first, so we were going to go with Leon, but when I saw him I decided that Leon was too harsh for him and went back to Lee. Anthony was chosen to honor my dad. Since he got his way with Lee’s name, we agree I get more say in this baby’s name.

I like that both Warren and Lee are surnames and English words, but they aren’t usually on those type of name lists. I like that both names are familiar, warm and laid back sort of names. I would like something similar, but there are no rules.

Names on “The List”:

Victor : This is probably in the lead, but people around here including me naturally say it like Vic-der which I don’t like. It might also be too harsh. I like Vic as a nickname.

Hugh : I love the meaning and the soft yet manly feeling of Hugh. It has been a longtime favorite of mine. Don doesn’t like it all that much, but isn’t vetoing it. Neither of us would consider Hugo, by the way.

Lloyd : My other longtime favorite. It was the name of my favorite teacher. Don likes it OK. There is a Floyd we don’t like though.

Vance : We both like this OK, but it’s not our likely choice. It could grow on me.

Perry : Probably off the list. It would be after Don’s mom because her name is Penny. Don doesn’t like it much.

Carl : vetoed but I love it!

Family middle name possibilities are: my last name ” Waylon”, George, Gene, Edwin or Edward, Donovan, Allen or Daniel. I’d also use any of the first name possibilities in the middle. My guilty pleasure middle names are Peregrine and Somerled, but I’m not sure we would use them. Really we are not too concerned about finding a middle name.

Can you come up with a fitting name I haven’t thought of yet? Or maybe just say which one on “The List” we should use? I will definitely be excited to update you all if I could get some input!

 

From your list, my favorites are Perry and Karl (I like the K spelling better).

I wonder if you’d like the name Terry? It strikes me with the same warm gentle sound as the names Warren and Lee, though possibly because of the extremely nice little boy named Terry I knew when I was in elementary school. He was kind and sweet and a little plump and had silvery blond hair and he used to hold my hand companionably at recess; we would walk around the playground, chatting and holding hands. I used to try to get him as a square-dancing partner in gym class because he was the one boy you could count on not to try to step on your feet.

Or Percy. Percy Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Percy.

Or Frank. It’s not quite as gentle in sound, but it gives me a similar feeling anyway, of a guy like Matthew Cuthbert in Anne of Green Gables.

Harvey gives me that same Matthew Cuthbert feeling, and I love the name, and it’s another surname name of the Warren/Lee type. Harvey Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Harvey. [Edited to add: I’m sad to say I agree with the commenters who say they wouldn’t put a Harvey in a sibling group with a Lee.]

Or Gus. Gus Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Gus.

Gus makes me think of Douglas. Douglas Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Douglas.

Albert is one of my pet favorites; I’d love to see it get more popular. I think the name probably caught my attention because of Colin Firth in The King’s Speech, but also there was a good and kind swimming teacher named Albert when I was a child. Most of the male swimming teachers were preening jerks with names like Shane and Troy, who spent a fair amount of lesson time flirting with the female swimming teachers; but Al was not a preener and seemed like he really liked teaching, and he was patient and nice, and he certainly contributed to my feelings about the name.

Or Philip, speaking of royalty with gentle names. Philip Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Philip/Phil.

Or Alfred. I might like that even more than Albert. But maybe it seems a little dressy with Warren and Lee.

The name Roger got my attention when I read somewhere that it used to go with the nickname Hodge. I think that’s darling. Roger Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Roger/Hodge.

Ooo, I recommend Paul. I think it has that warm, gentle sound, and feels underused, and goes very well with Warren and Lee. Paul Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Paul.

Or Joel. Joel Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Joel.

Oh, or I like Russell. There’s a Russell in the same grade as one of my kids, and the name keeps hitting my ear favorably. Russell Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Russell/Russ. I like the way it has two syllables like Warren, but has a one-syllable nickname.

Maybe Ira? Ira Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Ira.

Is Murray too similar in sound to Warren? Murray Nordson; Warren, Lee, and Murray.

 

 

 

Name update:

Baby boy “Nordson” has been born and named! I figured I owed you an update since your blog was keeping me company while I had to hang out alone in the hospital room for an extra day, and also because you and your commenters were very helpful.

His name was supposedly finalized but then changed multiple times between you posting my question and his birth. We went through Victor, Perry (turns out it’s one of my grandma’s maiden names too), Timothy and S0merled (as a first name!) before arriving at Hugh S0merled Nordson.

The middle name really made my husband turn around on Hugh, and I’m happy because that is exactly one of the name combinations I came up with years ago fantasizing about just one more baby.

Baby Naming Issue: Surnames and Family Naming Traditions

Dear Swistle,

I read your blog religiously and with the recents posts involving mother’s last name issues and feelings of resentment/pressure surrounding names, I decided it was time to write you myself. My situation is a two part question. I will try to be brief but I have a feeling it’s going to be long so feel free to cut it down if necessary!

I am currently pregnant (due in April) with our second child, a girl. We have a two year old son named James Reave (spelled differently). He goes by James exclusively and is named for my dad. His middle name is my husband’s beloved grandmother’s maiden name. I love his name and am happy to have honored the people we did. The resentment sets in when I start to think about his last name. I did not change my last name upon marrying and as I am the last member of my family to carry the name, I have particularly strong feelings about it. I always secretly imagined my husband taking my name and my children carrying it on, and though I did mention this desire occasionally, it was never seriously discussed as I think my husband and I both realized we weren’t willing to deal with the fall-out that would inevitably occur if we broached the subject with our families. Looking back, I wish I had cared less about what others thought and had had the courage to push for a real discussion on the matter. We contemplated giving our son my last name as a second middle name, but were hesitant to saddle him with such a long and clunky name. When it came time to fill out the birth certificate paperwork, I was too distracted to care much one way or the other and it wasn’t included. We almost gave him my last name as his only middle name but because we were naming him after my dad, it seemed strange for him to have my dad’s exact name with my husband’s last just tacked on the end. Hyphenating would have been the ideal compromise but both of our names are long and cumbersome and it would have made for a 20 letter last name. My last name also sadly doesn’t make for a desirable first name. I thought that I would just move on from this but as I begin to register him for activities and preschool, I am constantly reminded that we don’t share a name and it makes me sad. I am tempted to take my husband’s name but I feel like I’m giving up some of my identity and there is also the unfortunate issue of my name sounding terrible with his. My question is, should we at this point legally change our son’s name to include my maiden name as his second middle name? Do you know how much of a hassle that is at this point? Is there another solution I haven’t considered? I had thought that perhaps if we had another son we would just give him my last name as his middle but we are having a girl instead and it’s just not the name I envision for my daughter. Which brings me to my next quandary.

Ironically, in light of the conundrum surrounding my last name, my mother’s family has a matriarchal tradition of naming each first girl after her mother, Sarah. Although I go by my middle name, my first name is Sarah. My mother, grandmother, and great grandmother were all Sarah and the line of Sarahs continues further back still with a couple of all male generations mixed in. For as long as I can remember, my future daughter has always been referred to as Sarah by everyone in my family, as if there were no other option. It’s only now that we’re expecting a girl (who will almost certainly be our last child) that I have come to realize that we actually do have a choice in the matter. I’m torn because I love the idea of continuing this tradition that makes me feel connected to my mother’s family but on the other hand, I feel like I’m giving up the opportunity to pick my only daughter’s name. Sarah is a fine name but feels slightly plain and overused to me and as it is my mom’s name, it seems a bit strange for both of my children to be called the same names as my parents. I realize we could move Sarah to the middle name position, but that seems to water down the tradition somewhat. We have considered naming her Sarah and calling her Sadie, but we’re just not sure Sadie feels quite right. Where we seem to have landed for the moment is to name her Sarah but call her by a middle name of our choosing. My hesitation with this of course is the hassle that comes with being named one thing and called another. I have been frustrated by this my entire life and to now be contemplating doing it to my daughter feels a little wrong. On the other hand, I survived it and can now appreciate the significance and meaning behind my name. The name my husband and I keep coming back to is Sarah Emmeline. Emmeline, though not a family name, feels special. I like the connection it has to multiple suffragettes and women’s rights activists as well as it being the name of the title character in a book about female independence that I enjoyed reading. Additionally, it was the name of my first cabbage patch doll, and as a result, it’s a name I have always had a soft spot for. While I do love the name, something is keeping me from completely committing. It is definitely my husband’s first choice and he has told our son the name, who has now taken to calling her Baby Emme in the sweetest little voice that melts my heart. But is Emme too cutesy? Will Emmeline constantly be mispronounced? (I prefer the Emma-line, rhyming with pine pronunciation). Does it work with James or is it too uncommon alongside a top 10 boys name? Does it sound like a trendy, made-up name as one of my friends suggested? Other names we like but that don’t feel quite right are:

Clara
Celia
Charlotte
Kate
Eliza/Elizabeth
Linnea (I love, husband hates)
Adeline
Isabella (family name but too popular)
Cora
Maggie (we don’t like any of the longer name options)
Georgia (if we had a boy, George would almost certainly have been the name so I want to hang onto it in case a boy were to come along)

I’d love to hear your thoughts on the best option for us. Please feel free to suggest new names or ones from our list that we should reconsider. I’m sorry for the incredibly long post but I would be so appreciative of any guidance you may be able to offer on these naming dilemmas! And I’ll be sure to send an update!

Thank you!!
L.

 

As time passes, I feel increasingly incredulous at the way I considered Paul so progressive just because he was WILLING TO DISCUSS other options than going with his surname. And at how both of us concluded that there was nothing else that was worth the hassle and confusion—as if “having someone periodically make an incorrect assumption about our surname” would have been so terrible, and “me having to give up my family name and use his family name for ALL OF MY CHILDREN” was so much lighter a load.

And I can’t believe I felt as if I were really getting my way to have my surname put in as the children’s second middle name. Not even their first middle name, but the SECOND one. The one that gets left off of many forms that don’t have room for two. I’m still glad we did that rather than doing nothing, but it feels like being grateful for crumbs.

My hope is that the way you and I are feeling, which is the way I have noticed a lot of other adult women feeling, is a feeling that will move like electricity down to the next generation of women: that THEY will think, “Why would I give up my OWN name and take HIS name?? That’s insane!” and then also NOT give all the children his name so that she ends up the only one not in the family surname club. My hope is that if we as a society can’t come up with a fair solution that makes sense for every family, then we as a society are going to make room for a lot of different ways to do surnames, and that most of those ways will equally represent both parents (and/or average out to equal representation), and that we as a society will stop acting as if that’s weird. We’ve had comments on surname posts that make me wonder if there’s something in the water—like, women commenting that they don’t think using the father’s surname for the children should in any way mean the mother should get any more say in the rest of the name, because that’s just normal and doesn’t count. AS IF THAT IS NOT, AT ITS CORE, THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISION OF THE ENTIRE PROCESS. Which family do these children belong to? Which family matters? Who is head of the family, as symbolically shown by his spouse and children taking his name? What name goes over the door, on the mailbox, in the phone book, in the newspapers? What name goes onward down the family tree, and which one is abandoned? THIS STUFF MATTERS ENORMOUSLY.

In moments of regret and societal despair, I have fantasized about dropping my husband’s surname from my own name and from my children’s names. I grew those children in my body, I have done the vast majority of their care over the years: if they must be marked with one family name or the other, they should be marked with MINE. It is interesting to me that when I do consider this, what I worry about is the apparent symbolic attack on Paul: if I drop his surname, if I give his surname to the children only as a second middle name, how can that represent anything but the most enormous slap in the face? (This is when I pause, wondering if anyone else is thinking as I then do about what an enormous slap it is to the mother and the mother’s family, when her name is preemptively stripped from her and from all her future descendants.)

About your son’s name. I feel almost weary as I root for the option to change his name to include your surname as a second middle: it feels like so much trouble, and for crumbs, and I don’t know how much hassle is involved but I expect a fair amount, and I hesitate to push anyone to deal with city hall about anything, when I myself would almost rather perish. But—when my eldest graduated high school, and they read his full name and one of those names was my birth surname, it is hard to explain how glad I was. I did not even slightly wish we had given him a shorter or less complicated or nicer-sounding name; if anything, I only wished we had hyphenated, so that we could have heard my name every day instead of once in 18 years. It gave me this feeling like…like names are IMPORTANT, not decorative. Like they are HISTORY and they MEAN something! Yes, there are names that would have been PRETTIER, but my family name doesn’t need to be pretty in order to be important.

There was a girl in Rob’s graduating class who had an almost startlingly complicated/clunky hyphenated surname. I am trying to think of an example that would communicate the feeling/sound of the name without giving away anything about the name, and I am failing. BOTH surnames are impossible to spell and pronounce. One of them is four syllables, the other is three. They don’t sound good together. And yet, weeping my way through the graduation ceremony, I thought, “Why didn’t WE do that??” Her name doesn’t have to “sound nice.” Her name communicates her ancestry, and IT INCLUDES HER MOTHER. Why is “sounding nice” more important than “INCLUDING HER MOTHER”?

How often, I wonder, do women drop the idea to use their own surname for the children because the name doesn’t sound nice? Compare that to how often we decide not to use the father’s surname just because it doesn’t sound nice. I went to school with a kid whose surname was Butt, and another whose surname was Dick. If those had been the mother’s surname, would there be a chance in hell of the children having those names anywhere within their names? But because it was the FATHER’S surname, it was worth the constant embarrassment. This is one of the many ways we reveal our beliefs about the relative value and importance of the parents’ surnames.

Every family that starts with anything except One Woman + One Man has to figure out the surname thing without falling back on the tradition of male names dominating, AND THEY ARE ALL MANAGING TO FIND SOLUTIONS that don’t involve one of them getting credit for agreeing it sucks that the only sensible solution is to go with tradition. One Man + One Woman families have some significant catching up to do in this area.

I am about to suggest an idea that I didn’t have the courage to do myself. I’m essentially saying to you, “I played it safe and went the nice comfy easy route that everyone understands, but you, YOU, should do the uncomfortable thing.” So I’d like to start by saying that you can trust me to 100% understand if you DON’T do it and instead do exactly as I did. I truly, deeply get it. But if we forget for a moment what the norms are, and we just look at the situation we have in your one single family, here is what we have:

1. Your husband, with his own birth surname
2. You, with your own birth surname
3. Your son, with your husband’s birth surname
4. Your daughter, with ______

Society is a mess, but your one single family can be balanced, surname-wise. If you like, you could change your son’s name to include your surname as a second middle name, and give your daughter her father’s surname in that same position. You and your husband could change your own names, taking the other one’s surname as a second middle name. (Perhaps wait and do this later, when the kids are older and it isn’t such a major ordeal to even get to the store for eggs, let alone get to city hall to do paperwork. You can make a date of it, maybe for a significant anniversary, while the kids are in school: first city hall, then lunch, then maybe a museum.)

I don’t know how to vote on the Sarah tradition. I have mixed feelings about naming traditions: on one hand, I find them touching and cool; on the other hand, they can cause such unnecessary pressure—and why does one person gets to name all the future generations? I strongly believe everyone should get to name their own babies. And especially when things get to the point that no one is actually using the revered name in daily life but instead just putting it on paperwork, it starts to seem like maybe no one really wants to do this tradition and it should stop. And I agree it seems odd to have your two kids named after your parents. I’m going to put this in list form:

1. The name Sarah would only be on the paperwork.
2. This was your own naming situation, and it has frustrated you your entire life.
3. It feels a little wrong to you to do this to your daughter.
4. The name Sarah feels plain and overused to you.
5. You lose the opportunity to choose your only daughter’s name.
6. You don’t like the idea of your two children having the same names as your parents.

Weigh this against the downside of using Sarah as a middle name: it “seems to water down the tradition somewhat.” It absolutely DOES dilute the honor, but perhaps it is high time for that dilution to happen, and well worth it.

But I can also see how, for various reasons, you might decide to continue the tradition. In which case, I am strongly in favor of Sarah Emmeline, called Emmeline. Emme is not too cutesy; if it becomes too cutesy, you will stop using it and use something else (Emmeline, Emma, Em, Ems). Emmeline will occasionally be mispronounced/misspelled, but within normal range. It works beautifully with James and doesn’t seem too uncommon next to it. It is not a trendy or made-up name; your friend was mean to say that, as well as wrong.

I feel like you are under a lot of pressure here. There is the intense societal pressure to use your husband’s surname for the kids. There is intense family pressure to use the name Sarah for your daughter. And now you have pressure from Swistle, trying to make you give your daughter your own surname AND dilute the family naming tradition. All of this while you’re pregnant.

Well. I will say this: my own vote is for Emmeline Sarah YourSurname (or, if you change your son’s name to James Reave YourSurname HisSurname, then Emmeline Sarah HisSurname YourSurname). But if you go with Sarah Emmeline YourSurname, or Sarah Emmeline HisSurname, I will understand. There is no one single option that is obvious and solves all the issues and makes everyone happy, and all of us have to weigh the pros and cons and then choose the solution we think will give us the least grief in the long run. I believe I may have chosen wrong, but that doesn’t mean it would be the same for you.

 

 

 

Name update:

Dear Swistle,

I’m sorry for the delayed update but wanted to let you know our final decisions after the birth of our daughter! I can’t thank you and your readers enough for your kind words of encouragement and affirmations that my feelings and desires were valid. While I absolutely loved the idea of passing my surname on to my daughter (and am excited to see a recent poster going this route), I couldn’t stop myself from thinking, “But what about James?!” I realized it was all or nothing for me and decided it was more important to me for us all to be a cohesive family unit that shared a name. Being an only child with divorced parents probably contributes to this extra strong desire for unity :) We decided it made the most sense to make my surname the second middle name for all of us. Not incredibly original I know, and I agree with you Swistle, it feels like crumbs. While this was not my ideal solution, I feel satisfied enough with this arrangement and will look forward to hearing my surname read aloud at my children’s graduation ceremonies. Unfortunately, it seems I’m not doing much to further our cause, but I do hope that others will have the courage to challenge tradition and that societal norms will have changed enough for our daughters to have an easier time making these tough decisions.

As for the first name/middle name debate, your comments and the comments of your readers truly helped free me from any sense of obligation I was feeling about using Sarah and I decided to see what felt right when we met her. When I saw her, I knew I wanted her to be a part of the (now seemingly unending) line of Sarahs. I know I’m just kicking the can down the road, but in that moment it felt like an honor and not a burden to be able to pass along the tradition and to share something special with her. I’ll do my best to make it clear to her that this tradition does not need to continue! So Sarah Emmeline (called Emmeline or Baby Emme) it is. Thank you again!!

L.

Baby Girl Owens, Sister to Eli and Vivian

Hi Swistle!
You and your readers helped us name our Vivian (Vivi) Marie, little sister to Eli Dane, back in 2015. We are now in the third trimester with another little girl and are hoping for some help, as we are struggling with this one! We’ve agreed to use “June” as a middle name, to honor my grandma, who we lost last year.

Overall, like many people, we like names that are classic…or at least easily recognized and pronounced, but NOT top 50 (or even 100) names. We didn’t completely realize this until after we named our son, who now goes by “Eli O.” in several circles.

So, for this sweet girl, bonus points for a less-popular name with a spunky vibe, or maybe just a fun (but not too cutesy) nickname. Vivian checked all the boxes for us, and we love her name. We’d like to possibly have one more child, and we love the names Jasper or Isaiah for a boy.

Names I like and husband hasn’t entirely vetoed:

Coretta. This was top on my list last time too. I love the nickname “Etta” and I love “Coretta June.” Somehow this feels right to me and I keep coming back to it. It’s not popular at all, but is it way-out there in a weird way? We’ve toyed with Arietta as another way to get to “Etta,” which I also think is pretty.
Liza. My absolute favorite girl name is Eliza, but with Eli, it’s obviously too close. I think Liza can stand alone, but it still seems a little too close to Eli for me to be sold.

Louisa. My hang-up on this name is the Lou-weez-a/Lou-ees-a pronunciation issue. I don’t have a huge problem with either, but I do think it would bother me to not have a consistent pronunciation. Even my husband and I say it differently, without even trying. Am I nuts? Also not hooked on Louey/Lulu nicknames, but not a deal-breaker.

Other names I like but DH says no:
Juliet
Maren
Linnea
Sadie

Names we like style-wise, but are either too popular or can’t use (friends, etc):
Norah
Audrey
Lydia
Penelope
Josephine
Maya
Stella
Fiona

The ONLY names my husband has offered this go-round:
Ruby (I don’t hate it, but I’m not in love).
Lucia/Lucy (I don’t like the “I Love Lucy” connection of Lucy/Vivian…not sure how many people would catch that, and I really don’t like the pronunciation “Loo-sha” that some people use.)
Zoe (Doesn’t seem to fit, I don’t like).

What do you think of any of this? Or other name suggestions that go well with the middle name and siblings? We have two months to go. J

Many thanks again,
~L

 

I feel as if you and your husband are so close to agreeing on a name. Look at the similarity of these options: Louisa, Juliet, Ruby, Lucy. All those “oo” and “ee” and “L” sounds! I want to make sure your husband is evaluating/considering your suggestions as thoroughly as you are evaluating/considering his.

Here are the things I think are not issues unless they start to deeply bother you:

1. Lou-weez-a/Lou-ees-a
2. Lucy/Vivian

I agree with you that Zoe doesn’t fit well, and that Liza is too close, and that not liking the LOO-sha pronunciation may rule out Lucia.

My definite favorites from the lists are Ruby and Juliet. Last time we talked about how a name can “spin” a previous sibling’s name; I think Ruby emphasizes the vintage sass of Vivian, and Juliet emphasizes the vintage romance. I think Ruby Owens and Juliet Owens both work very well. I like Ruby June better than Juliet June, but I think both work fine, and that an honor name doesn’t have to go perfectly.

I wonder if you’d like Georgia? It has the sass of Ruby, with some of the sound of Juliet and Norah. Georgia Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Georgia.

What do you think of Genevieve? Too much V with Vivian, or a nice tie-in? Genevieve Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Genevieve. I thought of it because you and I share a fondness for Josephine and Fiona and Penelope, and Genevieve is another on my list.

Margaret is another of my favorites. ONE MILLION EXCELLENT NICKNAMES. Margaret Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Margaret.

You and I also share a fondness for the names Eliza and Louise/Louisa, so I wonder if you would be with me on Eloise? I am not sure, but I THINK that is different enough from Eli for me to use it. I don’t love that they both start with El-, but I think I could deal with it, especially since the E is pronounced differently, and the L is in a different syllable in the two names (EE-lye and ELL-oh-weez), and there’s another child in between—but I don’t know if you’ll feel the same. Eloise Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Eloise. Urrrrg, maybe it’s too close, I can’t tell. I guess I’d prefer to use something else unless my heart was absolutely set on Eloise, in which case I’d go ahead.

Ooo, how about Cecily? Fresh, sweet, not too common. Cecily Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Cecily.

Or Celeste: also fresh, sweet, not too common. Celeste Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Celeste.

Or Rosalie: another fresh, sweet, not too common. Rosalie Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Rosalie.

Or Felicity: again with the fresh, sweet, not too common. Felicity Owens. Eli, Vivian, and Felicity.

Or Clara. It doesn’t have a good nickname, but I am suggesting it anyway. Clara Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Clara.

Or Clarissa, which makes it even less common and is better for nicknames. Clarissa Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Clarissa.

Or Melody. I ran into a Melody the other day, and it practically slapped me across the face with its familiar unusualness. Melody Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Melody.

Or Matilda. Matilda Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Matilda.

Or Sabrina. Why don’t I know ANY Sabrinas? Sabrina Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Sabrina.

Or Bianca. I know only one Bianca, and I love her name every time I hear it. It reminds me of Fiona. Bianca Owens; Eli, Vivian, and Bianca.

[Edited to add: AFTER I wrote up to this point, I went back to the post from 2014 to make sure I wasn’t suggesting all the same names—and I see I am suggesting four of the same names: Cecily, Felicity, Genevieve, and Georgia. Well, I am consistent!]

Wait, you wouldn’t want to use June as a first name, would you? I love it and hardly ever encounter it. June Owens; Eli, Vivian, and June. It has the sounds of Lucy, Ruby, Juliet. This is my top choice for you. The middle name could perhaps be a name you would have loved to use as a first name if it weren’t so popular, or a name already used by family/friends.

 

 

 

Name update:

Huge thanks to you and your readers for helping us name our newest addition! My husband ultimately came around to my #1 choice and it fits her perfectly so I couldn’t be happier. Here is Coretta “Etta” June 0wens!

Baby Boy Ch@nn, Brother to Riley

Hi Swistle,

I wrote to you back in January 2015. I was worried that our name choice for our daughter (Riley) would not age well. Thankfully, you and others assuaged my fears and Riley Ch@nn was born in February 2015.

We’re expecting a baby boy in April 2018 and we’re stuck on a name for him. My husband really likes the name “Ryder” because he thinks it would match Riley very well. I am hesitant because Riley and Ryder seem to match too much! Would you and others consider the names too similar and cutesy for siblings?

Other names that we’ve liked but have somewhat dismissed:
Dylan – it sounds like something bad in Cantonese (we are Chinese)
Casey – brings to mind Casey Anthony, and we have a Caylee in our family
Names we like but can’t use because close friends have used them: Tyler, Logan, Zachary, Avery

Any other suggestions?

Thank you!
Mom to Riley and TBD

 

The names Riley and Ryder are so similar, using them for siblings would be a dramatic and highly noticeable thing to do. And if you have any chance at all of having a third child someday, I absolutely would not give yourselves that future naming problem—though I suppose there’s still Rylan available.

I wonder if thinking about other matchy pairings would help your husband see the issue? Like Casey and Caylee from your example above: if it’s too close for cousins and other relatives, it’s even closer for siblings. Or Madison and Madilyn. Brady and Braden. Carter and Carson. Emerson and Emory. Finley and Finian. Harley and Harper. McKinley and Mackenzie. Or maybe those will all sound good to him: some parents like sibling groups such as Emma and Ella or Jayden and Caden, and some parents like names such as John Johnson or William Williamson, so it really is a matter of personal preference and he might just like very matched sibling sets. My own opinion is that it makes it very, very difficult for other people to keep the names straight; helping other people tell the kids apart is not the number-one priority of baby-naming, but it’s something to consider.

The situation is made even more complicated by Riley being a unisex name. In fact, I’d need to remove my examples such as Madison and Madilyn: that pairing is confusing, but it’s not as confusing as Casey and Caylee, or Carter and Carson, or Emerson and Emory, or Harley and Harper.

I started to look for more options to consider, and realized we could take a few right from the list of sample pairings. Plus I’ll add a few more.

Brady
Brody
Carson
Carter
Connor
Ellis
Finley
Grady
Keegan
Kieran
Mason
Miller
Parker
Ranger
Sawyer
Spencer
Wesley
Wilson

Ranger is my Compromise Option: it’s similar in style/mood/sound to Ryder, but I don’t think the pairing with Riley is startling or confusing. Finley and Wesley are also potential compromises: they match the endings of the names rather than the beginnings.

 

 

 

Name update:

Hi Swistle,

Thanks for the post! We thought the suggestions from you and your readers were very helpful. Ryder was taken off the table due to my reluctance because it sounded too cutesy. We went to the hospital with a short list of two names – Ronan (my favorite) and Tristan (his favorite) – and an agreement to “see what he looked like” before deciding.

No matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t picture him as a Ronan, and he didn’t seem to be a Tristan either. So we went back to the drawing board with limited sleep (and in my case, also loopy with pain meds) with the goal of getting to a name by the time we had to leave the hospital.

The previously dismissed Zachary came up again, and we just liked how it sounded with Riley (and our dog Finney), and we also loved the shortened form Zac. Ultimately, we liked the name enough to overcome our previous reluctance to use it because a friend had used it.

So…introducing Zachary Ch@nn, born April 5th! He completes our family.

Thanks again to you and the readers!
Mama Ch@nn

And here’s a picture of Zac and his sister Riley.

Baby Twin Girls Lund

Hello!

Our twin girls have arrived a bit early and we’re under the gun for picking their names, as they lay there and stare at us in shame. We thought we’d have more time! Sigh… We had come upon Olivia and Ava fairly organically, only to find out how popular they are, and as a pairing too. That really took the luster off for us, and now we’re trying to decide if we want to stay with that initial thought or move to something at least a little more unique.

We’ve since come up with a Lennon/Marlo pairing, or maybe Lennon/Ava, or Lennon/Olivia. Other names heavily considered were:
Mabel
Rowan
Isla

Last name will be Lund. We haven’t even gotten into middle names yet, haha. We’re a baby naming mess.

Thank you in advance,

Andrew III + Taila

 

Lennon Lund is a lot of L and N for a name; I don’t like the way it feels when I say it, but of course that sort of thing is heavily subjective. Rowan Lund is okay, but feels a little clunky. Marlo Lund is better, but the -lo/Lu- combination is a little awkward; I feel the same about the -el/L- and -la/Lu- of Mabel Lund and Isla Lund. I would not pair Lennon (unusual, unisex, surname name) with either Ava or Olivia (Top Ten, used exclusively for girls, non-surnamey).

Now that I have dismissed all the options except the one that no longer has luster, where does that leave us? Well, we could look for names similar to Ava and Olivia but a little less common.

Aubrey
Audrey
Cora
Eliza
Eva
Evelina
Fiona
Geneva
Genevieve
Ivy
Josephine
Lydia
Mavis
Penelope
Ruby
Sabrina
Sylvia
Veronica
Victoria
Vienna
Vivian

Eva and Lydia has a very similar sound to Ava and Olivia, but is quite a bit less common. Ivy and Vivian is another similar-sound option.

Can you put a finger on what you like about Ava/Olivia? Is it the V-sounds? The long vowels? The -a endings? The way the two names share sounds (that is, it wouldn’t necessarily have to be V or the -a, but just any repeated sounds)? The two/four-syllable pairing? That might help you to form a new pairing.

For middle names, it can be fun to take advantage of the twin situation to honor two equivalent people at the same time: both grandmothers, for example, or perhaps the two of you each have one sister to honor, or would each like to honor one aunt. Or perhaps each of you would like to choose the name of an artist/scientist/actor/author/activist you admire. Or, since you are using the father’s family surname, perhaps both of the mother’s grandmothers could be honored, or perhaps the mother has two sisters. Or you could honor the parents with middle names Andrea/Drew and Taila. If you like twinny things (I did/do), you could consider giving Baby A a middle name starting with A, and Baby B a middle name starting with B. Or you could give them matching middle initials. Or if you still love the names Ava and Olivia but don’t want to use them as first names, they might work as middles. Or if it ends up being very hard to narrow down first-name options, the hard-to-let-go runners-up could be used as middles.

Edited to add: The parents are having the same commenting problem many of you are having (we have had no luck getting the website host to fix it, nor any luck figuring out anything in common among people who are having trouble), so here is the comment they were unable to post:

Thank you so much for the in depth thoughts and analysis! Its so amazing to get your third-person view without the pressure of family/friends. There’s a lot to parse through in there, and we will be thinking long and hard about the list you’ve offered up! You and your readers are crazy good at this!!!

Its interesting because we can now actually look at our babes, call them a name and see if it works. We eliminated quite a few names that way to get to the list in the initial email (Cora, Asa, Maeve, Amelia, Wren).

Mom loves the Ls, Ms, Os and soft sounding names. Dad loves the As and Vs. Both Mom and Dad like the idea of repeated sounds, names that work well together without being the same… Mom and Dad also like the idea of semi-unisex names that keep open the world of possibilities for the girls as they grow into themselves. We really think about what type of people we’d love for these girls to become (strong-willed, independent, creative, hard-working, loving/caring, etc.) and what kind of names exemplify those traits.

For middle names, Dad really likes the idea of Mom’s surname (Fisher) as a middle name for one or both of the girls, or even as a second middle name. Mom is keeping her last name, so it feels appropriate to pass it along to the girls in some fashion.

As we continuously talk about names, we do keep coming back to Ava and Olivia and wondering if it really matters all that much that they are popular. There was an initial distaste to finding out their chart position (#2 and #5 in 2016) [note from Swistle: according to the Social Security Administration, Olivia was #2 in 2016 and Ava was #3], but maybe it wouldn’t affect them so poorly, and we do still really like them, aaaaand they do fit the girls.

Other random question: What kind of pairing could work with the name Mabel? We haven’t been able to get a second name that suits sister well.

Thank you again and again and again. This is so needed and insanely helpful!!!

 

 

 

Name update:

Heyo, the website let us comment!

We are overwhelmed by everyone’s kindness and thoughts for our two little ones.

Based on Mom and Dad’s conversations and your comments, we ended up putting Ava and Olivia back into the mix. We axed Lennon and Isla, and while we loved Mabel neither sister fit the name. Soren was a wonderful late addition, but we couldn’t find a middle name that fit for us.

Eventually we happily landed on Ava Brie Lund and Marlo Fisher Lund. Brie is Mom’s middle name.

Thank you again for your help. While we didn’t follow all of your advice, it was really really helpful to set a baseline that Mom and Dad could jointly work from. Here’s a few pics of our little nuggets. They’re still in the NICU but hopefully soon to leave :)

Andrew III + Taila

Ava

Marlo

Baby Naming Issue: Can Two Children Both Have Their Mother’s Surname as a Middle Name?

Dear Swistle,

This is a hypothetical question as there is no baby on the way, but hopefully someday soon. My husband and I have one son. His middle name is my maiden name (which I still go by) and his last name is my husband’s last name. His first name is a name we liked that honors no one. I’ve liked his full name because my name was 1/3rd of it. But now my question is for our next child. Can he/she have the same middle name? Is that common or is it weird? I know you advocate for two middle names, which we obviously didn’t do for the first child but I’m considering it for our second. However, I feel like it diminishes the role/importance of my name. I also kind of wonder if we have a girl does that change things? Is it too masculine sounding to have a last name as a middle name? Part of me is just bummed out that my kids and I have/will have different last names and there is just no perfect solution.

I will try to remember to update if the time comes. Thanks for reading, love your blog!

 

Absolutely the next child can have the same middle name, particularly when the reason for doing that in this case is so clear: no one is going to say, “Wait, you used your surname as the middle name for…BOTH children???”

And I don’t think anything changes if the next baby is a girl. Many girls and women have surnames as middle names, and I don’t think the practice has a masculine vibe—particularly since the surname would be her mother’s.

 

 

 

Name update:

After two miscarriages, we added a daughter to our family two weeks ago. I would love to share both of my kids’ names, but I’m too much of a private person. I think you all would approve though. I decided to give our daughter my surname as her middle name, the same as her big brother. Swistle’s response and a lot of the comments helped reassure me with my decision, so thank you!

Middle Name Challenge: Baby Boy Elliot ______ Sh@w

Hi Swistle!!

I am so excited to finally be writing to you with an actual baby to name!! We are expecting our first (IVF!!) baby due in June, not finding out the gender. My name is Lindsay (spelled a different way), DH is Greg0ry, surname Sh@w. So here is my question… For a boy, we are 100% decided on Elliott for a first name. This is DH’s middle name and a family name on his side and we have been talking about this name for so long that it really has grown on me and now I just think of our future son as this name. But because this name is so heavily influenced by DH’s side of the family (the first name and the surname are all him), I want more say with the middle. I don’t have family names that work.. the men in my family have Spanish names that I don’t think fit with our naming style at all (same goes for my maiden name). So I am starting from scratch here. My naming style is “preppy-sounding” if that’s even a style.. And I want something definitively male to balance out Elliott which I know is becoming more unisex. I LOVE the way Alexander sounds… Elliott Alexander Sh@w just sounds meant to be. But I have a very close male friend with the first name Alexander/Alex and do not want this to be perceived as me naming my child after him. Not that he isn’t a great person but I feel like this would be inappropriate. I may be able to overlook it but for now I am searching for an alternative. So my question is… do you or your readers have middle name suggestions that flow as well as Alexander to go with Elliott? And that still carries that preppy sounding style? I don’t want to inverse my husband’s name and names I cannot use are Nathaniel, Benjamin, Michael, and anything with too much of an S sound because of the flow with Sh@w. Other names I’m considering are Elliott Spencer Sh@w (but this has the S sound issue), or Elliott Oliver Shaw (DH not totally on board). Any suggestions??

I might be writing back later with a girl name question but I’ll stick with the one question for now! :) Thank you and I love reading your blog!

Lindsay

 

Here is a thing about honor names: it’s the exception and not the rule for them to match the parents’ naming style. The names of our relatives were chosen mostly by people with different naming styles than ours—and even the ones with a similar naming style chose names that are now out of date by a generation or more. This is why we recently had a whole huge crop of baby girls named after Great-Grandma Emma, but not a similar number named for all the Great-Grandma Ednas—even though there were approximately the same number of Great-Grandma Ednas as Great-Grandma Emmas. It isn’t that all the Great-Grandma Emmas were lovely and deserving of an honor-name tribute and the Great-Grandma Ednas were terrible and undeserving, it’s that the name Emma came into style and the name Edna didn’t. Parents accustomed to thinking, “Ug, I want to use honor names but all the people we love have such terrible names!” suddenly had a family name they actually wanted to use. It ought to be that the best way to have a lot of descendants named after you is to be a loving, kind, generous person, but the actual best way is to have a name that regularly comes back into style.

All of this is to say that if you want an honor/family name from your side of the family, and I agree that this situation fairly screams out for that, I think it would help tremendously to change the search from “family names that are my style” to “family members I love and want to honor in this way.” Especially since we are talking about a MIDDLE name. The middle name is the perfect place for names that represent our families and heritage rather than our personal naming style.

But all naming choices are weighed on a scale, and it may be that when you put “honor/family name” on one side and “naming style” on the other side, a name you really like is more important to you. In which case my favorite from your list is Spencer: I think the flow is great, I think it’s a great style match, and I don’t think that particular pair of S-sounds creates an issue.

For something with some of the sound of Alexander, I suggest Elliott Anderson Sh@w.

For more possibilities to consider, I leaned heavily on the Last Names First category of The Baby Name Wizard: surname names often have that nice prep-school sound, and a lot of them have the -er ending of Alexander:

Elliott Baker Sh@w
Elliott Barton Sh@w
Elliott Baxter Sh@w
Elliott Bradley Sh@w
Elliott Broderick Sh@w
Elliott Carter Sh@w
Elliott Chapman Sh@w
Elliott Cooper Sh@w
Elliott Deacon Sh@w
Elliott Fletcher Sh@w
Elliott Frederick Sh@w
Elliott Gardner Sh@w
Elliott Harrison Sh@w
Elliott Hudson Sh@w
Elliott Keaton Sh@w
Elliott Mercer Sh@w
Elliott Morrison Sh@w
Elliott Nicholson Sh@w
Elliott Parker Sh@w
Elliott Porter Sh@w
Elliott Redmond Sh@w
Elliott Robinson Sh@w
Elliott Sullivan Sh@w
Elliott Theodore Sh@w
Elliott Turner Sh@w
Elliott Whitman Sh@w
Elliott Wilson Sh@w

In fact, one way to get a meaningful name that is also your own naming style would be to poke around in the surnames of people you admire. Favorite authors, actors, poets, politicians, activists, scientists, journalists, artists—do any of them have a surname with the right sound?

One downside of surnames is that they are often unisex, and you’re looking for something definitively boy. The Social Security baby name site is a good place to double-check usage. For example, the name Wilson is currently used exclusively for boys in the U.S., while the name Parker is currently unisex but used more often for boys (1470 new baby girls and 4685 new baby boys in 2016).

 

 

 

Name update:

Hi Swistle!

Our baby boy arrived June 6th! We named him Elliott Oliver Sh@w. Thank you to you and your readers for all your help deciding on a middle name for our little guy! His name suits him perfectly.

Lyndsey Sh@w

Baby Girl Leigh

Hello!

I’m a lifelong name nerd and I recently discovered your website. I’m expecting a baby girl in March and hoping you can help me nail down her name. The name is 100% my decision. I am hoping to have two children, last name is Leigh (pronounced Lee). I like somewhat unusual but distinctly feminine names.

Additional: honor names are Elizabeth/Betty and Patricia. If I someday have another daughter, I would use both. (Patricia only as a middle.)

I have many names I love that do not work with my last name: Ivy, Pearl, Marilla, Vivian (LOVE how this sounds, but I think Vivien Leigh was too well-known), Opal, Ophelia, Orla. Anything ending in an “A” or “L” sound seems to run together or create an adverb; “S” can be problematic, too.

Current contenders:

Betty: I love this, and I also love that it honors my grandmother. I would want Betty to be the name, not Betty as a nickname for Elizabeth. (I don’t want my child to have a “formal” name and a “real” name—just one name.) I have some residual concern about people assuming her full name is Elizabeth, but I think I can deal with that. I am leaning strongly towards a little baby Betty, but the middle name is a stumper for me. I think BEL is a great monogram, so I’m thinking an ‘E’, but Betty E_____ Leigh? Betty Elise? Elaine? Thoughts? The monogram is not a deal breaker and it does not have to have a special meaning for me since that box is already checked; I would just like the flow to work nicely.

Lillian: I think Lillian Leigh (Lillian Elizabeth or Lillian Patricia) is beautiful with a great flow (although perhaps too much ‘L’?), but it’s now in the top 50 and I’m afraid there will be other Lillians running around in her circle. If I have two daughters, I think there’s a disconnect with Lillian being formal and Betty being a shorter, more casual name, so choosing one now is taking the other off the table (assuming there’s a second girl in my future).

I’m leaning towards Betty but would love middle name help, and I don’t have any idea what I would name a second girl that ‘goes’ with it? _____ Patricia Leigh? Thoughts on boy name possibilities? Any help would be most appreciated!

 

Hm, let’s see. For middle names starting with E, I like:

Betty Eileen Leigh
Betty Eleanor Leigh
Betty Ellison Leigh
Betty Eloise Leigh
Betty Emmaline Leigh
Betty Emerald Leigh
Betty Emerson Leigh
Betty Evelyn Leigh

Any E surnames in the family tree? Those might be nice, too.

Lillian Leigh does have a whole lot of L, and I think it might be a fight to keep it from being shorted to Lily. Lillian was #28 in the U.S. in 2016 (Social Security Administration), and both Lily and Lillian have been in the Top 50 for more than a decade, so if popularity is a concern I do think you may be disappointed at how often you encounter it.

I suggest Lydia instead. Lydia Leigh has a lot of the sound and rhythm of Lillian Leigh, but eliminates one L-sound and some of the popularity (it was #80 in 2016).

Or do you like Gillian? Gillian Lee.

As a suggestion out of left field, I like Georgia. Georgia Elizabeth Leigh.

For a future sister for Betty, I like Daisy. Betty _____ Leigh and Daisy Patricia Leigh.

 

 

 

Name update:

Hi Swistle,
Thank you so much for taking my question back in December!  Betty Roseanne Leigh joined us on March 19, 2018.  I wound up going in a different direction completely with the middle name, but I loved reading everyone’s feedback.

Baby Boy Corn-with-an-H

Hi Swistle!

I’m almost crying tears of joy because I finally have a reason to write to you. After two years of trying, my husband and I are expecting our first baby (due next summer).

Since we’ve been trying for so long, we have already had a few discussions regarding names. Our hands-down favorite girl name is J0seph!ne @nne; it honors my husband and a family member of mine who passed away, and we love the nicknames (I love me some nicknames). If we ever have a daughter, this will definitely be her name.

Our problem comes from two boy names we love: Alexander and Calvin.

1. Alexander goes well with our last name (Corn with an H), we love the nickname Alex, and it’s a name only shared by one of our astounding plethora of male relatives. My concern is that Napoleon’s Josephine had a first husband named Alexander. If we had a son and daughter named Alexander and Josephine, is that bad? Or is this a reference that I’m overthinking? I know it’s not like naming your kids Romeo and Juliet, but I don’t want to saddle our kids with something weird.

2. Calvin is a slight nod to my name, it’s not common in our circles, and it’s not shared by anyone in our family (the trifecta!). My issue is that I know he’d be called Cal sometimes (I’m fine with that, my husband doesn’t love it) and I think Cal Corn-with-an-H sounds weird and choppy. It sounds like someone is saying “cow h0rn” to my ear. Is this hormones making me crazy, or am I on to something here? One syllable last names are hard!

Other boy names we’re considering: Samuel, Cole (similar issue to Calvin!), Daniel, and Anthony. We like some of these, but Alexander and Calvin are the clear front runners. We have a ton of potential middle names to choose from (again, plethora of male relatives), so that’s not a concern.

Also, whichever one doesn’t get picked this round is permanently off the list, as I refuse to have sons named Cal and Al. Just nope.

Thanks so much!
CC

 

History is one of my weakest subjects, so it’s not surprising that I have zero association with Napoleon/Josephine/Alexander. I think we need opinions from people who are very aware of whatever that historical situation was, to see if they’d think it was weird to have a Josephine and an Alexander as siblings. I’d think it would help that both names are relatively common.

I lean heavily in favor of the name Calvin. It’s a great name, and it’s more in line with the popularity of the name Josephine (the name Calvin was #148 in 2016; Josephine was #114; Alexander was #11). Plus, it removes any possibility of awkwardness over Historical Josephine’s ex.

I don’t see any problem with the nickname + surname. It’s pretty important to me that the given name go reasonably well with the surname and with sibling names, but nicknames are much less important. If the nickname formed a bad or embarrassing word with the surname, that would be another matter; but a little choppiness seems like a non-issue—and I don’t hear “cow h0rn.”

 

 

 

Name update:

Hi Swistle,

Thanks to you and your readers for advice regarding our first child. As it turns out, we didn’t need to worry about a boy name because we had a little girl! J0seph!ne @nne was born on July 10th and we’re obsessed. If J0s!e had been a boy, we had narrowed our choice down to either Alexander Paul or Brendan Anthony; Brendan has been my favorite boy name for years and initially my husband didn’t like it, but he came around to it at the end when it was paired with a significant honor name for the middle spot. Maybe we’ll get the chance to use it in a few years? Thanks again for your help!