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Baby Girl N____stat, Sister to Lincoln

Tori writes:

I am writing to you for help. I am scheduled for a c-section with our second child 03/16/2011- a GIRL! We already have a son, Lincoln Thomas. My husband and I are having a very difficult time in choosing a name for this little one. With our son, we had a few names chosen prior to his delivery, but didn’t name him until we saw him. And his name we chose was actually vetoed off our list prior to him getting here.

Names we currently have on our list (and it’s a short one) are Charlotte, Ramsay, Abigail, and McKinley. MIddle name will most likely be Marie. Our last name is 2 syllables- starts with N and ends in ‘stat.’

Other names we had on our list that have been removed for one reason or another were:
Finley
Eleanor
Parker
Kennedy
Georgia
Mathilda- Husband HATES this
Eloise
Ruby
Reagan
Audrey- have 2 nieces named Avery, thought this might be too similar
Lucy
Olivia
Amelia

Few rules/restrictions we do have:
1.) Can’t be someone in the family with the name.
2.) Don’t want anything TOO trendy- we don’t want her to be one of 6 in her class
3.) Really trying to stay away from the presidential theme. We did originally think it would be cute, but are now reconsidering- which is why we’re not really sold on McKinley.

Any help you could give us would be greatly appreciated!! I’m at my wit’s end and just want to have a name for this baby!!!

Name update! Tori writes:

I know this post is MONTHS past, but we ended up naming our baby girl Charlotte Marie. Perfect for her, and sounds great with Lincoln. We get compliments on their names everywhere we go.

Thanks so much for all the input. :)

Baby Girl Toast

Laura writes:

My husband and I are struggling to agree on a name for our first baby – a girl due on March 7th. Our last name is one syllable and rhymes with “toast.” I like feminine, melodic, classic names. I’d like to avoid top-ten names, but top-100 is ok, especially if they are timeless. Caroline, Natalie, Eliza and Madeline have been my top picks. My husband wants a one or two syllable name with a “hard” vowel sound and tends to be drawn to names that were popular for our generation – Amy, Lisa, Caitlin, etc. I think these names are boring and dated. He thinks my names are weird and complicated. To work with our last name, we’ve both agreed that anything that starts with “k”, ends in “y” or has a prominent “s” sound (like Alyssa) is out. But that’s about all we can agree on. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

This is tricky: based on what you and your husband each want, my plan would be to make a list of names that would be familiar to him, but that wouldn’t feel to you like they were already used up by our generation. But–that’s exactly what your list is! It seems like it would be perfect: familiar names that were used by people our age, but that still feel fresh enough to use now. So why doesn’t he like them? If he thinks a name like Caroline or Natalie is weird and complicated, I’m at a loss. Nevertheless, perhaps if we continue to throw similar names at him, he will find some he likes? But no -y endings, no prominent S sound, no K initial, not Top 10, two syllables with a long vowel—it’s a tough order. I won’t try to follow all of those, but will instead concentrate on the Y/S/K part and hope he will come around a bit on the syllables and vowels.

Anna
Bridget
Claire
Clara
Elizabeth
Eva
Jane
Jillian
June
Meredith
Miriam
Piper
Sabrina
Violet

(I had some -ia names on there—Claudia, Lia/Leah, Victoria—but I’m not sure the -ia sound works with the Y of your surname.)

I think I’d start by pointing out to him how similar some names are to ones he says he likes. There is very little difference between a name like Lisa and a name like Eliza. Same with Caitlin and Caroline: quite similar sounds.

Baby Naming Issue: What to Name the Siblings of a Child With a Gender-Neutral Name or With a Name Traditionally Given to the Opposite Sex

M. writes:

So we are due to have our second child late March and are struggling with names. Our first child, Micah, is a girl. We know it isn’t a traditionally used as a girl’s name but we felt it was beautiful and loved the writings of the prophet by that name. Since then, it is not secret that I have had some name regret worrying about how she will feel about her name when she meets boys with the name. But much of that regret, I feel, was fed by post partum hormones. And now, pregnancy hormones have made me so fearful of naming the second. I think this will be our last child and the two kids will be approximately 2 years apart.

I guess the struggle that I put out to you is what do you name the second when the first has a gender ‘neutral’ name? If we have a boy will folks always think we have two boys? If we have a girl and go feminine with the name are we running the risk of making Micah seem even more masculine in comparison? I am truly at a loss.

Names we like:

Emma
Dena
Ayelet
Brooke
Orly
Talia
Sivan
Sigal
Farah
Anna
Emily
Erin
Rebecca
Sophia
Zoe

Owen
Samuel
Ethan
Simon
Aaron
Evan
Emmett
Everett
Etai
Justin

Many thanks for any input you have. I am taking this very hard and keep thinking that i didn’t think through our daughter’s name/vet it enough.

Thank you in Advance.

 
[I should warn everyone that every time I went through my reply to make it shorter, I ended up adding more. So it’s a bit. Er. LONG. It was just SUCH an interesting topic.]

In the early 1990s, the baby name book that was blowing my mind was Beyond Jennifer and Jason. I remember it giving this advice: that if you give one child an androgynous name, a child of the opposite sex should be given a name that is very clearly the sex that they are—and certainly not a name that leans more towards the opposite sex.

…I’m not putting this well. I need pictures. Imagine us sitting in a coffee shop, and I will draw on a napkin. I think of a spectrum of names, like this:

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If the first child is a girl, and is given a name that is more often used for girls but isn’t ultra-feminine, a mark goes on the spectrum:

spectrum2

When it is time to name the next child, we draw brackets. If the next child is a boy, it’s important that his name not be to the RIGHT (the girl direction) of his sister’s name—and I’ve drawn the bracket closer to it than I think it should actually go (I think it’s better to have a nice gap). If the next child is a girl, her name could go more girlish or a little more boyish, but shouldn’t go MUCH boyish or she’ll sound like a brother:

spectrum3

But that’s not what we have in your case. You haven’t chosen a gender-neutral or boyish-girl name for your daughter, you’ve chosen a boy’s name that is occasionally used for girls. According to the Social Security Administration, in 2009, 341 new baby girls in the U.S. were named Micah. More than ten times that many baby boys were given the name Micah: 3490. Furthermore, the name is falling for girls and rising for boys.

So we’re not talking about a boy name that’s WAY to the left (Michael, for example, which was given to 40 baby girls in 2009 but to well over four hundred TIMES as many baby boys), but we are talking about a name that falls on the boy side—in that most people hearing the name Micah would assume the baby was a boy (as opposed to wondering whether the baby was a boy or a girl, as they would with a neutral name such as Jaden):

spectrum4
(It looks like I’ve got that mark right in the middle of boy names, but the arrows go well off the napkin on either side.) Now we make our brackets, so that a future brother will not be to the right (the “girlish” side) of his sister’s name, and so that a future sister will not be so much more girlish that she will make her sister’s name seem like a brother’s name:

spectrum5

Again, I’m not sure my brackets are quite right, and the left edge of the brother bracket ought to be an arrow, but you get the gist: no sisters named Clarissa, no brothers named Avery.

Our goal, then, is to find you a boy name sufficiently masculine to help people remember which of your children is a boy and which is a girl if they hear both names and know you have one of each; and to find you a girl name that isn’t so feminine it creates the illusion of differing expectations for each girl. This is assuming we can find names you really like that meet those conditions: sometimes I think the only solution to a situation like this is to shrug and choose a name that doesn’t work as part of a sibling set, with the knowledge that in the big-picture/long-run, it’s okay: people may be a little surprised, they might make a mistake at first, but eh, they’ll soon adjust, and your kids will eventually be adults whose sibling names won’t be a big deal.

I think we will have the happiest result if we go into this thinking that we will do our best to diminish the issues, but YES, people who just hear the two names still WILL think you have two boys, or else a boy and then a girl: no name we find for your second child will make Micah feel like an obvious girl name. And that is annoying but it is okay. We will correct them, and then they will know. And everyone who actually knows you will ALREADY know you don’t have two boys.

One thing working for you here is that by sound alone, Micah OUGHT to be a girl name. It, like many of its biblical contemporaries, is made up of girl-name-like sounds—especially the -ah ending, which is mostly feminine in U.S. English, with most of the exceptions being those biblical names (Noah, Jonah, Isaiah, Ezra, Elijah, etc.). If we separate the name from its associations, Micah belongs with Mila and Monica and Kayla and Jessica and Erica. In fact, if it were spelled Mica or Mika, no one would blink (but you’d lose the prophet association you wanted).

Awhile back we answered a question about a family with a girl named Emma, wanting to name a second girl Ezra. It may be the only time I’ve ever put my foot down on an issue. You’re in the opposite situation: you have the equivalent of an Ezra FIRST, and one of the names on your list is Emma, and again I say no: mixing the #2 most popular (and not even slightly neutral) girl name in the U.S. with a “boy’s name occasionally used for girls” is unfair to both girls. You could, however, use Ezra.

The names on your list with the most potential, I think, are the ones that are unfamiliar enough to give people pause: if you have a Micah and a Rebecca, people hear “biblical traditional” and assume a boy and a girl; but if you have a Micah and a Sivan, or a Micah and a Sigal, people feel uncertain and they think twice before making any assumptions.

For other possibilities, I’d look in these categories:

1. Biblical boy names with girl-name sounds (Asher, Noah, Jonah, Elisha, Ezra)

2. Names usually thought of as boy names that have already started being used for girls so it’s no longer a total shock to hear them (Blake, Carson, Evan, Greyson, Hayden, Mason, Sawyer, Tristan)

3. Androgynous names (Avery, Casey, Grey, Hollis, Parker, Peyton)

4. Boy names that have been abandoned by the boys and might work well for girls, as Sydney worked for Sidney (Clarence, Sterling, Winslow, Murphy, Percy)

I put those examples up there pretty casually, so there could easily be disagreement with one or another (“Hey, that’s not androgynous, that’s a boy name starting to be used for girls!”) but this shows you the gist of what I’d be looking for.

For a boy, I think any of your choices are fine. I’d lean toward the more definitely boyish ones, but I don’t think there are any boy names that would make Micah seem like a girl name by comparison. And as with Sigal and Sivan, I think the benefit of using a name like Etai is that it’s unfamiliar enough to call the whole sibling group into question: people will be less likely to make assumptions.

Baby Girl Vivian or Caroline

Jessica writes:

I’m hoping you can provide some insight for our little baby girl due at the end of March, 2011.

My favorite name since I was in high school and read “The Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood” has been Vivian.

Thanks to Miss Jolie, I am nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs about using it!

I very much understand Angelina’s love of “Vivienne,” it’s gorgeous, voluptuous, sultry, womanly, classic and all around uber-fem.

However…I (as most people) do not want my daughter to be known as “Vivian P.”

My husband thinks my fears are invalidated. That, just because a celebrity has used it, doesn’t mean every other woman in our small town of 7,500 will use it.

I’m just not sure. Is Vivian destined to be the next Isabella?

I’m a Jessica and was born at a time when Jessica was all the rage.

Though, I was only one of three in my school. (Validating my husband’s argument.)

Our other favorite is Caroline.

Thank you oh so much for your time.

 
In situations like this, I rely on the Social Security Administration. First let’s look at what’s been happening with Vivian:

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

The first Ya-Ya book was published in 1996. But it’s tricky to figure out what impact it had, isn’t it? The name Vivian had already started an abrupt rise, going from #502 in 1987 to #294 in 1993. It stayed in the high 200s / low 300s for a decade without seeming much affected by the book, and then in 2002 (the year the movie version came out) abruptly started another rise, a rise that brought it as high as #164 in 2009.

To me, what this looks like is the name coming back into style on its own (the name was last in the Top 100 in 1911-1934, so it’s due for another turn in the next few years), but given a shove by an author and a movie—and an additional shove by the birth of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt’s daughter Vivienne in 2008.

Now let’s take a look at what’s happened with Vivienne:

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

I had it set to look in the last 30 years, but Vivienne has only been in the Top 1000 in one of those years: 2009. Which meant spending some time with the non-Top-1000 forms. Here’s how many new baby girls were named Vivienne in the U.S. each year (it’s a little hard to adjust to this “higher number is more” thing when we’re accustomed to the “lower number is more” of the ranking system):

2009: 561
2008: 227
2007: 151
2006: 111
2005: 120
2004: 94
2003: 109
2002: 70
2001: 63
2000: 50
1999: 65
1998: 36
1997: 33
1996: 23
1995: 26
1994: 32
1993: 19
1992: 20
1991: 20
1990: 23
1989: 16
1988: 9
1987: 16
1986: 11
1985: 9
1984: 6
1983: 15
1982: 10

(That’s probably further back than we needed to go, but when the numbers went so low I kept waiting to get down to nothing.) In this case it looks more to me as if the book in 1996 had an impact. Perhaps people loved the name Vivian but didn’t like the look of it and went looking for a fresher spelling? Or perhaps it’s coincidence and the name was going up anyway just like Vivian. It sure looks like the movie in 2002 had an effect, and then Vivienne Jolie-Pitt had an even bigger effect in 2008.

And now let’s compare this to Isabella:

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

Isabella appeared in the Top 1000 in 1990, in the Top 100 in 1998, in the Top 10 in 2004, and at Number 1 in 2009. Vivian doesn’t look like that. Vivian’s been walking around in the Top 1000 all along. And Vivienne DOES sort of look like that—but it’s more like the 1991 Isabella: not enough information to know what it will do next. Plenty of names appear in the Top 1000, shoot up several hundred rankings—and then stay there, never making it even to the Top 100, let alone the Top 10. Having the 2010 numbers would help a lot, but those won’t be out until May—by which time your Vivian or Caroline will already be here.

Here is my guess, and it is PURE GUESS, as in “your guess is as good as mine”: my guess is that the name Vivian will follow names such as Evelyn and Lillian, but NOT names such as Isabella. I think it will make the Top 50, but that it won’t be a super-mega-hit. That’s my GUESS. But I am as wrong as the rest of us when it comes to predicting name trends, and perhaps we will all laugh merrily at this post a decade from now.

For further comparison, let’s look at Caroline:

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

This shows what I often say about name perceptions: if you’d asked me to answer without looking, I would have thought Caroline was racing up the ranks, because I feel like I’m “suddenly hearing it everywhere.” But I’m completely wrong: it’s just hanging around in a non-scary-trend fashion, not even up to the Top 50. And do I know a single baby named Caroline? Er….one. On a blog, not in my non-internet circle. It’s just that it seems like so many people have it on their lists, which can give a false sense of commonness.

Okay! So what have we got? We’ve got Caroline, already in the Top 100 but not looking like it’s moving around much: nice and stable. And we’ve got Vivian, less common but much MUCH less stable. If I were choosing solely on popularity, then, I’d choose Caroline: not only doesn’t it make me nervous that it’s going to make a mad rush for Number 1, but also it’s so classic and traditional it really couldn’t be trendy even if it DID hit Number 1.

But if you want my GUESS, I think you’ll also be okay if you choose Vivian. And, it is your FAVORITE. And it sounds to me as if your only hesitation is the commonness, and you’re talking yourself out of that even without my help—though I can add my usual lines about how even if you name her something statistically VERY unlikely to be duplicated she can nevertheless end up with another in her class (like in my son’s class, where there are three Noahs even though statistically for their year of birth there should be one Noah per eight classrooms), and how having a year or two of Vivian P. isn’t the worst thing anyway (and maybe instead they could be Vivian and Vivi, or Vivi Rose and Vivi Louise, or some other solution).

Would it help at all to have a poll? Let’s have one over to the right to see what everyone else thinks: go for the less-stable long-term-favorite? or the more-stable option? [Poll closed; see results below.]

VCpoll

Baby Girl or Boy Pombier, Sibling to Cohen

Monica writes:

My husband and I are on baby number 2 and are expecting any day now! We aren’t finding out the sex, so two names are needed. My sons name is Cohen Michael and I really like that it’s a bit different without being too out there. I want something that flows well with his name. Our girl choice is Harper (at least that’s what my husband hasn’t vetoed). Our last name is French…Pombier. My husband and I just cannot agree on a boys name and need some help!!

Names I like are Cooper, Kellan, Landon. A bit all over the place I know. I do like the Irish/Gaelic feel. He has said no to all of these. He likes Milo, Max, Finn, Noah, and Miles. I’m not a fan of these. We are clueless at this point and I’m due 2/23/11!!

Im sure you get tons of emails but would really appreciate the help. Thanks!

Finn seems like a good place to start, since it’s on your husband’s list and you like Irish/Gaelic names. Would you like it better if it was Finlay? Phinneas? Griffin? Finnegan? Finlan? Finian? Quinlan?

Kellan seems a little too close to Cohen: same starting sound, same ending sound, and soft middle sounds. Something like Keegan might work better: the beginning and ending sounds are still the same, but the strong G sound helps make them sound more different from each other.

Milo and Miles make me think of Malcolm and Niall and Lyle.

Milo and Landon make me think of Leo and Lyle.

Noah makes me think of Ezra, which I think has Cohen’s flavor of “a bit different but not too out there.”

Cooper makes me think of Hooper, Carson, and Carter. Cohen and Carson are pretty similar (like Cohen and Keegan: sort of right on the line), but I think Cohen and Carter works.

Name update! Monica writes:

We ended up having a GIRL!! No boy name was needed. We named her Harper Kate. She’s SO sweet!
Thank you all very much for the responses. I had no idea I would get so much help. Sorry it took so long to get back with you. I’ve been a little busy :)

Thanks again!

Baby Boy Scott, Brother to Delaney and Amelia

Madelyn writes:

My husband and I are expecting our third child, a son in late March 2011 and we cannot agree on a name at all. We have 2 daughters together named Delaney Evelyn and Amelia Callyn. With Delaney (nickname Laney), it is my mother-in-law’s maiden name and Evelyn was my grandmother’s name. Amelia was a little more complicated to name. I wanted the name Mia for her, but my husband argued that it was not a full enough name and so Amelia was the comprimise, even though 95% of the time, I call her Mia. Her middle name came from her paternal grandfather (Cal) and the ending of name (-lyn). With baby #3, my husband and I just cannot seem to agree on a name. Our list is:

Jacob Landon- I love this name, but it has just become so popular these days especially where we live.
Dylan/Dillon- He loves this name, but I am on the fence about it
Nolan- my brother in law recently had a little girl name Noelle, so we don’t know about this one.
Cameron- I love this name, but hubby is on the fence about it.

Names we have taken off our list:
Henry, Luca, Everett, Emmett, Connor, Sawyer, Dean, Liam, Evan

Thank you!

Since the girls have family names, are there any boy family names you’d like to use? Some other possibilities:

Austin
Braden
Caleb
Callum
Camden
Carson
Darian
Declan
Devin
Ethan
Kellan
Nathan
Owen
Quinlan
Rillian
William
Wyatt

I hesitated with some of the D names, wondering if they were too close to Delaney. But since Dylan isn’t too close, and since you call her Laney, I left them in.

I was also uncertain about a number of names that could look like surnames: with a surname that is also used as a first name, it seemed like a surnamey first name might cause more confusion.

I thought Wyatt Scott seemed like kind of a cool name with all those double Ts. Elliott Scott would give a similar effect.

If Cameron is not quite right, Camden or Callum might work.

If Dylan is not quite right, Darian or Declan or Devin or Kellen might work.

If Nolan is not quite right, Kellan or Nathan or Owen or Quinlan might work.

If Jacob is not quite right, Caleb might work.

If Landon is not quite right, Logan or Brogan or Brolin or Brody or Brandon or Lachlan might work.

And any on-the-fence name might work better as a middle name. Caleb Dillon Scott. Camden Jacob Scott. Wyatt Nolan Scott.

Name update! Madelyn writes:

Well our baby boy finally arrived on April 3rd, 2011, 2 weeks late! We went into the delivery room with a choice between the names Kellan and Caleb, both from your suggestions. When our son arrived though, the names did not suit him well at all and it was back to the computer to look at other suggestions from you and your commentators. We looked back and I realized that my heart had all along been staying with Jacob, a name I have loved for a long time. So, it came to be that our son is named Jacob Rillian. Rillian was used to give the name a little flair and I love it because I’ve never heard it on another child before. Thank you!

Baby Boy or Girl Gates, Sibling to Peyton and Mallory

Meredith writes:

I finally found your site last night (remembered it from years ago) and spent hours looking through past posts. We would love you and your readers help naming our “Surprise” Third Baby. We do not know whether this baby is a boy or a girl.

Actual due date is March 31st but we may deliver closer to March 18th (we aren’t sure of conception, baby is measuring big, I’m measuring 4 weeks big, and have a history of early babies) But wanted to be honest about the actual due date but this baby will most likely come mid March.

Details: This baby was a complete and utter surprise but may end up our biggest blessing. I became pregnant when my 2nd baby was only 6 or 7 months old. Because of this it has been a totally different pregnancy than past, we don’t know the gender, don’t know the name, and are just kind of flying through the pregnancy trying to survive each day :) we would love to have a boy and girl name to bring us closer to this baby and help us enjoy this last month or two of pregnancy before meeting this newest blessing. PLEASE HELP us!

Parent Names: Meredith and Marshall
Sibling Names: Peyton (boy, 3) and Mallory (girl, 14 months)
Last name: one syllable, Rhymes with “Gates”

I like a lot of names but my husband is picky. Here are some names that he has not vetoed but we are not super attached to any of these so we would love suggestions. I tend to like “Southern” and old fashioned names that are not too crazy or trendy but also not top 30. Our other kids were named because I loved the name Peyton for a girl after one of my good friends, so when the ultrasound showed a boy we just kept it. Mallory came into play because I always loved the names Madelyn and Lillian (my grandmother) but they were way too popular for our taste so my mom suggested Mallory as less popular blend of both.

We are trying to avoid an “M” name since we all have an M name except for my son. Don’t want to leave him out :)

Here are some names that haven’t been vetoed to give you an idea of our combined “taste”
Boy Names
Nolan
Patrick (but dont want nickname to be “Pat”)
Nathan
Benjamin
I really loved Bennett but he really doesn’t.

Girl names
Sadie (my great-grandmother, so family name)
Audrey
Kathleen (my grandmother)
I like Amelia
Clara (but I’m seeing it on your blog a lot lately)
Girl names are harder because we feel like we just did this with baby number 2.

Boy Potential Middle Names that have meaning: Austin, Hamilton, Christopher, William, Mark,

Girl Potential Middle Names that have meaning: Ann, Bailey, Judith, Rebecca, but should I just do Ann to keep with mine and Mallory’s?

Both Peyton and Mallory have “A” middle names, should we keep this trend?

THANK YOU, THANK YOU for any help. I have spent hours and hours and hours pouring through lists of baby names and have decided we need ya’lls professional help. :)

I think the trouble with some of the names on your boy list is that they’re a different style than Peyton. Peyton and Nolan make good brother names, I think, but Peyton and Benjamin are so very different, style-wise. Peyton and Patrick are just as different, and the matching initial P seems to draw even more attention to that; same with the almost-rhyme of Peyton and Nathan.

It’s not that “not matching in style” means you should toss the names out, but I think I would look for something more modern and/or surnamey:

Cason Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Cason
Corbin Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Corbin
Elliot Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Elliot
Ellis Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Ellis
Finlay Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Finlay
Grady Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Grady
Jameson Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Jameson
Keegan Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Keegan
Reid Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Reid
Sawyer Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Sawyer
Schuyler Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Schuyler
Spencer Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Spencer
Walker Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Walker

My own favorite is Elliot. It’s not very common (even combining the spellings Elliot, Elliott, and Eliot, it’s barely in the top 200), and it has the surname sound of Peyton while still having the classic first-name sound of Nathan and Patrick. I like Elliot Hamilton Gates.

…Hm. I am proofreading this just prior to posting it, and suddenly I’m not sure about those boy names. I think they go well in an “on paper” sense, but not with the rest of what you’ve told us about your style. I’m starting to think that your reasons for choosing Peyton make the name a different sort of choice than if you’d chosen it from the boy section of a baby name book. I think in that case Nolan is your best choice, because it goes with your style but it also goes with Peyton. I like Nolan Christopher and Nolan Mark. And I still like Elliot, too, and maybe Emmett and Everett and Garrett.

From your girl name list, I love Audrey: Peyton, Mallory, and Audrey sound like a wonderful sibling set. Aubrey would be nice too. And you know I love Clara!

I’d add Nola as a possibility since you like Nolan for a boy: Peyton, Mallory, and Nola.

If you like Clara but you’re nervous about popularity, I suggest Clarissa. It’s beautiful and much less common. Peyton, Mallory, and Clarissa.

More girl possibilities:

Bethany Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Bethany
Bianca Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Bianca
Bridget Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Bridget
Eliza Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Eliza
Emeline Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Emeline
Jocelyn Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Jocelyn
Laurel Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Laurel
Leslie Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Leslie
Lindsay Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Lindsay
Sabrina Gates; Peyton, Mallory, and Sabrina

On the middle name issues, I think you could go either way. If you like the idea of all three of you girls sharing a middle name, or of all three children having middle names that start with A, then by all means do it. But I don’t think there’s any reason to feel you OUGHT to do either one of those things: twice isn’t enough to make it feel awkward to break the theme. You have some very nice meaningful middle name options, and I think if I were you I’d take the opportunity to put another one of them into use.

Baby Girl, Sister to Grace, Nora, and Asher

Katie writes:

We are expecting baby #4 on St. Patrick’s Day, the date is pretty set unless baby decides to come earlier which is unlikely. Baby #4 is a girl and she’ll be joining Grace Kathryn Mae (6), Nora Elizabeth (4) and Asher Jack (2). We are looking for an Irish/Gaelic name, my husband’s family has Irish roots, we both went to the University of Notre Dame and of course the obvious is that the baby is going to be born on St. Patty’s Day. Our last name rhymes with Ramble but starts with a “c”.
I’m not thinking that Patricia is a good name choice but it is often suggested to us. If the baby were not born on St. Patrick’s Day her name very well would have been Audrey Jayne. I love how Grace, Nora and Audrey sound together but Audrey is not Irish. I’ve been attracted to names that have an “a” and an “r” in them but this has proven to be challenging to find in the Irish name category. Names that we’ve been tossing around…
Quinn – I love, my husband grimaces. How terrible is it that my children’s one and only cousin’s name rhymes with Quinn, his name is Flynn?
Keira – I like, again my husband isn’t sure
My husband just likes Audrey and must be banking on me going into labor before my c-section which has never happened.
Thank you for thinking this through for me!

I have such a perfect name for you, I don’t even want to tell you, for fear you won’t think it’s as perfect as I do. It’s a name I like even WITHOUT any Irish or St. Patrick’s Day connection, but if I had a reason to use it like you do, I would use it as the middle name IN A FLASH: Clover. CLOVER. It is gorgeous. I love it. USE IT. I suppose it is not an Irish name, but it sounds like you guys don’t really LIKE Irish names and want more like a HOLIDAY name tied to St. Patrick’s Day.

And then you can use Audrey, your husband’s favorite that you love with the sibling names, as the first name. Audrey Clover _amble.

Family Trees

My friend Firegirl was assembling her family tree, and she discovered she has a great-great aunt named Sunbeam Olive.

This led me to wonder, since so many of us have looked in our family trees for baby-naming inspiration: what fun/funny names have YOU found? I have a great-great uncle with the middle name Haddock. I have an actual Egbert in the family, and a Fanny, and a Hubert, and a Wilbur, and a Hulda, and a Jemima—names that are funny now, though I assume not at all funny at the time.

I have a several-times-great uncle named Justice, and I have other relatives with names such as Hannah, Emma, Eva, Clark, Adeline, Isabel, Polly, Henry—all names I could say I was using because they were family names, when I’d actually be using them because they were currently in style. (Unlike, say, “Haddock.”)

Baby Girl, Sister to Eleanore and Griffin

Caroline writes:

We have a baby girl due mid march 2011 and we are really struggling with names. Older siblings are Eleanore Quincy (3)(goes by Ellie) and Griffin William (1). Eden and Evaline (Evie) are top choices right now. I also love Vienna, but we have a distant friend with a daughter by this name and since it’s so unusual I’d feel like I was copying. We’d like to stay with something unusual as our last name is fairly common. Other possible considerations have been Avery, Amelia, Mildred (Millie)…but nothing is really convincing me I have to have it! Thanks for your help! My husband loves names with nicknames…

If you’re trying to avoid common, Avery (#32 in 2009 and rising) and Amelia (#55 in 2009 and rising) might be out.

If you like Mildred, I wonder if you’d like Matilda (Tilly) or Millicent (Millie) or Camilla (Cami, Millie) or Romilly (Romy, Milly) or Minerva (Minnie)?

If you like Evaline, I wonder if you’d like Emeline (Emmie—maybe too much with Ellie) or Genevieve (Evie) or Edith (Edie) or Geneva (Genna, Evie).

If you like Vienna and Eden, I wonder if you’d like Virginia (Ginny), Verona, Geneva (Genna, Evie) again, Sienna, Fiona, Gianna, Liana, Zinnia, Azalea, Gemma, Karenna, Verity.

Other possibilities:

Agnes (Aggie)
Agatha (Aggie)
Alice
Beatrix (Bee)
Esther
Florence (Florrie)
Frances (Frannie)
Georgia (Georgie)
Gretchen
Harriet (Hattie)
Lucille (Lucy)
Marian
Olive
Pearl
Silvia (Silvie)
Willemina (Willa, Mina)