This will be a full post later on, but I want to collect some data as I’m working on it: If you saw the name Meara, how would you think it was pronounced?
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Baby Boy or Girl Automuhnelly, Sibling to Timothy and Ellen
L. writes:
I love your blog and have spent countless hours reading the archives and
comments through each pregnancy. I always say that if all that were
involved with having a baby were picking the name, I would have 100 because
I love finding the perfect name so much. Now, I am driving myself crazy
trying to narrow down the choices for a girl name and desperately want your
expert opinion.My name is Lisa and my husband is Peter. I am pregnant with my third, due
this spring. We have a boy and a girl, so we decided to not find out the
gender for this baby since we feel like he or she will be icing on the cake
either way. My husband and I have very different tastes in names and both
times before, we have waited to meet the baby to decide on the name. We
named my son Timothy Michael and he goes by Timothy, Tim and Timmy. Michael
is my husband’s father’s name. He was born on Christmas morning at a
whopping 9 lbs, 9 oz so we decided he was our little Tiny Tim. My daughter
is Ellen Lucille. Ellen was my grandmother’s name, as well as my middle
name, my mom’s middle name and my aunt on the other side’s middle name. We
call her Ellie sometimes (even though it completely rhymes with our last
name). My husband picked Lucille just because he liked it, and we found
out later that it was the name of a close friend of my Grandmother who got
married in the same church on the same day as my grandparents! I
absolutely love both of their names. I have never met another kid with
their names but have also never had any trouble with people mispronouncing
or misspelling them.We have a very difficult last name, it’s pronounced Auto-muh-nelly (5
syllables and 11 letters!) but it starts with an O. We constantly have to
spell it and/or pronounce it for people, so it’s pretty important for me to
pick names for my kids that are easy to say and spell. I also prefer
shorter names (or at least shorter nicknames) since the last name is so
long. Other “rules” are that it be (1) a classic name (in existence since
at least the 1950s, preferably earlier), (2) not too popular (preferably
not the top 100, but we’re flexible if it’s popular because it’s been
around forever, like John or Mary), (3) lend itself to a good nickname, (4)
be good for a child AND an adult and (5) not be identified primarily with a
particular religion or ethnicity. Of course now I also want to make sure
that the name fits with the other two we have.For a boy, we really like the name Thomas, but can’t have a Tommy and a
Timmy. We also like the name James, but not the nickname Jamie (or Jimmy).
Our two frontrunners for boy names are Theodore (Teddy) and Henry. For a
middle name, I like the idea of using Robert after my father, but also am
tempted to use Thomas or James.For girls, we are kind of stuck. At first, we thought we were agreed on
either Madeline or Olivia, but I have since started doubting both. I don’t
think I like the nickname Maddie and I can’t really picture a grown-up
Madeline. Olivia is A LOT of syllables to stick in front of our last name
and it is one of the most popular names out there. Plus there isn’t really
a great nickname. We do think it’s a pretty name though.Other names we like but aren’t convinced are the one:
Caroline (i think this is a beautiful name, but don’t really like any
nicknames and worry about people mispronouncing it)
Charlotte (maybe too popular and no great nicknames)
Leah (I like this and think it’s short and sweet, but husband isn’t
convinced and it’s pretty popular)
Grace (too popular and don’t like “Gracie”)
Margaret, nn Maggie or Margot (I think I am trying to convince myself to
like it, but it still sounds kind of old-ladyish to me)
Katherine, nn Kate (I really like this, he’s not sure)
Julia (Don’t think he’d go for this, but I think it’s pretty)Names my husband has shot down / names we don’t like / names we can’t use:
Clara / Claire
Katelyn
Jocelyn
Celeste
Penelope
Evangeline nn Eva
Amelia
Naomi
Gabrielle
Alexandra
Andrea
Samantha
Josephine
Beatrice
Chloe
Anne / Annabelle
EvelynThere aren’t really any good family names that I’m aware of. Is there a
name that we’re just not thinking about and would be a perfect fit in our
family? Or do I just need to pick one of our maybes and let it grow on me?
I am hoping to go to the hospital with 2 or 3 names that I love so we can
pick the right one when we meet him or her.
Thank you!
and
I thought we had narrowed down our choices to one boy name and one girl
name, but about every other day, I find myself doubting the girl name. We
have about 7 more weeks to pick out a name, and feeling unsettled is
stressing me out! We could really use some expert advice.For a boy, we are 99% sure we’ll go with Theodore. The other name we’re
holding on to is Henry.For a girl, we had tentatively picked out Angeline Grace, with the nickname
Angie. While I think this is a pretty name, I just am not sure how well it
goes with my other two kids.The other name my husband liked that I dismissed as too popular was Amelia,
but I keep coming back to it. I think I like Emilia better because of the
nickname options, but does it seem like a made-up name? And is it too
similar to Ellie?I think I just want a fresh perspective because I’ve been mulling these
over for so many months that it seems impossible to get any clarity and
settle on one or two names.Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated!
To me, the name Angeline sounds much fancier than the names Timothy and Ellen. With sibling names, I especially compare siblings of the same sex: in this case, sisters named Ellen and Angeline seem set up to do a plot line with one sensible sister and one glamorous one.
Emilia doesn’t seem made up to me, but a 4-syllable first name with a 5-syllable last name (both heavy on L and M sounds) seems like it’s pushing the limit. I also think Ellie and Emmie are too close, and that Timmy and Emmie are too close.
Olivia and Madeline are both much more popular than you’d prefer: you’re hoping to avoid the Top 100, but Olivia is in the Top 10 and Madeline is there too when the spellings are added up. Madeline is also out if you’re looking for easy to spell and say: there are two common pronunciations and half a dozen common spellings. Olivia does have the cute nicknames Liv and Livvy, though, if you want them. And I think Madeline works great on a grown woman: I’m thinking of Madeleine Albright, Madeleine L’Engle, and Madeline Kahn, just for starters.
With Ellen and Timothy, though, I think I’d be looking for something different. The name Timothy is never really out but was especially stylish in the 1950s and 1960s; the name Ellen hit its high point in the 1940s and 1950s. I looked for the top names in 1955 and found these to consider:
Alice
Angela
Diana
Frances
Holly
Jane
Jill
Joan
Joanne
Joy
June
Laura
Louise
Mary
Robin
Rose
Ruth
Sarah
Susan
Suzanne
Some of these may be too similar in sound to Ellen, but it’s a little hard to tell: are Ellen and Alice too close? Ellen and Susan? And some might not work with the surname, but again it’s hard to tell: Diana Automuhnelly? Holly Automuhnelly?
My favorites from the list are:
Frances Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Frances; Timmy, Ellie, and Frannie
Jane Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Jane; Timmy, Ellie, and Janie
Laura Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Laura; Timmy, Ellie, and Laurie
Ruth Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Ruth; Timmy, Ellie, and Ruthie
Name update! L. writes:
Thank you for posting my question! We had a boy-thankfully-because I was just not excited about any of our potential girl names. I think that heading in to the hospital, we had narrowed our choices to Theodore or Henry for a boy. For a girl, we had Catherine and Grace and my husband insisted that Angeline was still a contender. When my husband said “it’s a boy!” I jumped at the chance to have a Teddy, and my husband passed down his middle name as our son’s middle. Theodore Joseph joined our family on May 10th and we all love our little Teddy Bear!
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Baby Girl Ryder, Sister to Adelaide: Juliette or Nicolette?
Sara writes:
Hello to you Swistle and your wonderful helpers!
We are very much hoping for some name wisdom, as we seem to be stuck. We are expecting our 2nd little girl in June and she will be joining big sister, Adelaide Fiona. (We were really close to naming her Fiona but having the last name, Ryder, Winona Ryder seemed too close. Now we wouldn’t change it for the world, Adelaide is just right for her)
Baby sister coming in June has two potential names and we are struggling to choose. The two names are Juliette & Nicolette. Obviously, only one can be used and we don’t know which. We love and adore Juliette, (especially this spelling but would people pronounce it JU-lee-ette or would they say as Juliet – Jul-jet) if pronounced right, but fear the popularity of the name and my husband is unsure of how irritating it will be for her to say: My name is Juliette with TE at the end.
We also love and adore Nicolette, as it is similar to Juliette but is much less popular. We think it has a very elegant touch to it. Both names are French as her first name will honor my French heritage as Adelaide honors husband’s German roots.
We want a French name but are also worrying about the length of the names. We don’t mind long names but Adelaide has Ada and Addie as occasional nicknames but we don’t see any we like for Nicolette or Juliette. Another thing someone pointed out was that Nicolette made her think of Nicorette. IS this an issue?
After writing all of this out, I worry we haven’t found the name for her at all. Had she been a boy her name would’ve been Dashiell or Lucian (we really wanted to use Mason, had it not been so popular).
Right now, as you see, we are struggling. We want to find her name fast. Should it be Nicolette or Juliette or a third? We hope you can help us out!
A couple of years ago at kindergarten drop-off, one of my twins had a Nicolette in class—AND this Nicolette had the kind of parent who says the child’s name with every single sentence. So I got a nice year-long exposure to the name and, if it helps, never thought of Nicorette. I’m not sure why, since they’re only one letter off from each other, but those two names are just completely separate in my mind. Even after I read your letter and put it into the spreadsheet, I’d forgotten the Nicorette thing by the time I came back to it.
Probably because of Nicollette Sheridan (who was born in the early 1960s), and because of the immense popularity of the name Nicole in my own generation, I feel like Nicolette is different in era/style from Adelaide, and Juliette feels like a better fit to me. But I think either one works.
I suspect either Nicolette or Juliette would develop its own nickname over time. Maybe it would be something not related to the name, or maybe her sister will call her Nini or Leelee, or maybe one of the nicknames you don’t like would turn out to fit her perfectly. (I’m trying to remember which Liz I know whose parents said they’d really wanted to avoid the nickname Liz—but then it turned out she was “SUCH a Liz!”) Or maybe you’ll find you like a nickname better if it can be combined with the middle name, or with a nickname of the middle name: for example, Nicolette Louise could be Lettie Lou.
Juliette does not seem very popular to me yet. According to the Social Security Administration, the name Juliet was #252 in 2011 and the name Juliette was #377; the name Adelaide was #407 but climbing at a much more rapid rate. I’d expect to see them at very compatible rankings when the 2012 data comes out next month.
I think you’re right that a Juliette would have to specify each time that her name was spelled with an -ette instead of an -et. But speaking as a Kristen who always has to specify that it’s with a K and an -en, I can say it hasn’t been something that’s seemed like a burden. So many people have to spell their names (is it Trisha or Tricia? Jen or Jenn? Isabelle or Isabel? Sophia or Sofia? Aiden or Aidan? Sarah or Sara? Lila or Lilah? Ann or Anne?), it feels like a normal thing to me.
Which of the two names do you LIKE better? I found I couldn’t tell from the letter; if I could tell, I would probably push you in that direction.
In the meantime, if it would be fun to consider more possibilities, I suggest Celeste. It’s probably my top favorite French name for girls right now. Celeste Ryder; Adelaide and Celeste.
Or wait, maybe Simone is my favorite. Simone Ryder; Adelaide and Simone.
Or maybe it’s Genevieve (unless Genevieve is only French if it’s pronounced like john-vee-ev, which I also like but it’s not the version I’m thinking of). Genevieve Ryder; Adelaide and Genevieve.
Or Noelle. Noelle Ryder; Adelaide and Noelle.
Or Estelle. Estelle Ryder; Adelaide and Estelle.
Or Lisette is pretty. Lisette Ryder; Adelaide and Lisette.
I see Eloise on a list of French names; I don’t think of it as smacking of Frenchness—but if it’s French enough, it’s probably my actual first choice. Eloise Ryder; Adelaide and Eloise.
Let’s have a poll, too, to see which of your two finalists everyone prefers! (This is my first time using this new kind of poll, so let’s hope for success but brace for failure.)
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Baby Boy Tirboarg, Brother to David
Liz writes:
We have just one week to go until our baby boy arrives and need your help naming David’s brother! Our surname (pronounced tir-boarg) is kind of a mouthful and we always need to clarify pronunciation and spelling. So we’re keen on familiar, classic names like David that feel friendly and timeless, and wont be constantly misspelled. We also like names that seem appropriate on a little boy as well as an old man.
The challenge that we’ve had naming #2 is that many of the names we like either start with a T or end with “ter”, and we’re not sure how this repetition sounds with our surname. We both like the name Peter (my father’s name) since it is a timeless name that you don’t hear much on little boys these days (much like David), but wonder about the repetition of “ter”. As an alternative, we’d like to use it as a middle name if possible.
My husband’s first choice is William, which I like because it is classic and warm sounding, but I’m afraid with all the Williams and Liams out there now that he’ll be lost in the crowd. But maybe that’s silly with such a classic name? I also have many Williams on my side of the family so it seems overused to my ears. Although William Peter sounds very distinguished to me (but maybe too much for a little boy?).
My husband’s other favorites include Daniel (I’d like to avoid siblings with the same initial), John (family name on his side, too common for me), Theodore, and Carter. Names I like (but do not necessarily meet our criteria) are Ethan (husband thinks it is too “soft”), Evan (ditto), Joshua (ditto), Simon, Robert, Grant, Owen, Lucas (Luke), Tyler, Jeffrey, Gregory and Landon.
I’m hoping you can help us find a timeless name that fits well with our surname before this baby jumps into our lives! Thank you!
I tried saying Peter with your surname several times aloud, and I think I prefer Peter as the middle name. I love the sound of William Peter; I think it would be adorable on a little boy and yet great on a grown man.
The names David and William seem to me to be the traditional classics of different eras: William feels more recent, even though both names have been popular all along. Perhaps it’s because William AS WILLIAM is more current: a generation or two or three ago, so many of the Williams were Bills. Or perhaps it’s just that classics drift in and out of stylishness (even if their popularity stays pretty steady), and William currently feels quite stylish.
Theodore, Carter, Evan, Simon, Grant, Owen, and Landon also have a much more modern sound than David to me.
I would be more inclined to look at the traditional names that were in style when I was a child, or when my parents were. Daniel, Joshua, John, Robert, and Jeffrey all fall into the category I’m thinking of.
Andrew, maybe. Andrew Tirboarg; David and Andrew. Andrew Peter Tirboarg.
Stephen Tirboarg; David and Stephen. Stephen Peter Tirboarg.
James Tirboarg; David and James. James Peter Tirboarg.
Adam Tirboarg; David and Adam. Adam Peter Tirboarg.
Michael Tirboarg; David and Michael. Michael Peter Tirboarg.
Nathan Tirboarg; David and Nathan. Nathan Peter Tirboarg.
Aaron Tirboarg; David and Aaron. Aaron Peter Tirboarg.
Baby Name to Consider: Ruby Rose Winter
Kristen writes:
Hello! Been reading your blog since the beginning, and am something of a name-enthusiast myself. My situation I feel is a bit unique in that our last name is a noun, a season– Winter. With our first two, Joel Robert and Charlotte Marie, we agreed- no nouns or other word-like names. I didn’t want their names to sound like a joke– we originally loved Cole but didn’t want “Cold Winter” jokes . However, we are planning number 3 now and planning ahead on names. My husband is loving his great great grandmother’s name: Ruby Rose Winter. My question is, when you hear the name, do you think “Oh, red, red, and a season?” Or does it sound like an ok combo because it is a family name? I’ve run this around in my brain too many times at this point to come to any type of logical solution.
When I hear the name, I think it sounds like a girl in a fairy tale—like Snow White, or Briar Rose. This is not to say I’d rule it out, especially if you don’t think you’ll call her by her first and middle names together: Ruby Winter is significantly less of an issue than Ruby Rose Winter.
It does help that it’s a family name. It would help even more if it were a family member your husband had known and been close to; since it’s someone he presumably never met, it’s harder to play up the family connection—but it would still help.
If it were me, I think I would prefer to stick to the original policy of no word-like names. On the other hand, I don’t think it would be wrong to change that policy if you both really want to.
This might be a good place for the “Would I want that as MY name?” exercise. I THINK I would grow weary of having a whimsical name—but I can also imagine really enjoying it.
Name update!
Hello there Swistle,
Reading the tale of the three Sylvies reminded me that I never did send an update on Ruby Rose Winter. The long and short of it was I wrote that when my third baby was merely a twinkle in my eye. Once I became pregnant last April, we were excited to use the name and felt good about Ruby Rose Winter, but two months later a cousin on my husband’s side named HER baby Ruby Rose W****. So we gave it up and struggled coming up with a name for our baby girl, only to find out it didn’t matter because the ultrasounds were misread. (We were sure the baby was a girl. We were very wrong.) Surprise, I delivered a baby boy, who had no name for awhile but is now Noah. So we have a Joel, Charlotte, and Noah. Thanks for all your readers’ encouragement, I felt very relieved at how many thought the name Ruby Rose was charming and enchanting and not ridiculous!-Kristen
Baby Boy Bradshaw, Brother to Ayla and Mackenzie
Sydney writes:
We are the Bradshaw Family, and we have two daughters with our first son on the way around May 26, 2013. The hubs is Reid Harrison and I’m Sydney Louise. As I wrote earlier, we have two daughters already. Our first is Ayla Jennifer and our second is Mackenzie Simone, and the two names couldn’t be more different.
Ayla is five years old and her name is unheard of around our town. It was a name we just stumbled upon in a name book, and we immediately fell in love with it. Jennifer was my husband’s sister’s name who unfortunately passed away years ago in a car accident, before I ever got the chance to meet her. It meant a lot to my husband and his family to honor his sister and I was more than happy to oblige.
Mackenzie is 17 months old, and unlike her sister, her name is a little more popular around our town, but not over the top. She is affectionately known as “Kenz or Kenzie” around our house and amongst family and friends. We picked her first name after she was delivered because in all honesty, she just looked like a Mackenzie. Her middle Simone is a variant of my father’s name.
Now we are expecting number three and we can’t find the perfect name that sounds great with our girl’s names. We had two girls names put together which were Emerson Lilly (middle name is after my husband’s grandmother) and Teagan Louise (my middle name) which we will now set aside for future purposes, as we do not plan on this being our last child.
Now each of us have our own list of boys names that just seem so different. His name list includes Jacob, Owen, Eli, Cameron and Cole. Now, I like the idea of Cole and Cameron, but it just doesn’t feel like it could be Ayla and Mackenzie’s baby brother. Now my name list is Easton, Luca, Jake, and Blake, but yet again, these don’t seem like our baby boy’s name either nor can my husband and I compromise on one of our names.
I’m hoping that you could help us find a great name that sort of unites the two girl’s names together. The middle name will either be Samuel (after my husband’s father), Maxwell (my husband’s grandfather), Reid or Harrison (both after my husband). I’ve heard so much great stuff about your website that I hope you could help us.
Please and Thank you.
I think Ayla and Mackenzie are very compatible in style. I’ve heard that the name Ayla has Hebrew/Turkish roots, but I think its current usage is more often from Mikayla/Kayla: just as Madison and Madelyn led us to Addison and Adelyn, Kayla led us to Ayla. If your second daughter had been named, say, Haia, or Suna, the name Ayla would have seemed to belong more to the Hebrew/Turkish roots; but used with Mackenzie, it fits perfectly with Emerson and Teagan.
I think your boy name lists are also very compatible. I would probably cross off Eli for being too similar to Ayla, and Cameron for being too unisex (it could equally well be a sister name for an Ayla and a Mackenzie), but all the others seem like candidates.
Since you both have Jacob/Jake on your lists, I’d lean toward that. If that’s not quite right but you want something similar, I’d look at:
Caleb
Dane
Dean
Drake
Gabe
Gage
Grady
Hayden (maybe too similar to Ayla)
Hayes (maybe too similar to Ayla)
Jacoby
Jameson (may rule out Emerson later)
Nathan
Zane
Or if Cole is close but not quite right:
Cade
Camden
Carson
Carter
Case
Chase
Clark
Coleman
Collins
Colter
Colton
Holden
Kyle
Joel
Nicholas
Nolan
I’ve gone back and forth on suggesting Colby. On one hand it’s a nice combination of Cole and Jacob. On the other hand, I’m not sure I like the stuttering B sound it creates with Bradshaw, and I wonder if Colby brings Carrie to mind.
I wonder if you’d like Sawyer? Sawyer Bradshaw; Ayla, Mackenzie, and Sawyer.
If Easton is not quite right, I wonder if you’d like Weston. Weston Bradshaw; Ayla, Mackenzie, and Weston.
Or I like Wilson. Wilson Bradshaw; Ayla, Mackenzie, and Wilson.
It would rule out Teagan for a girl, but Teague would work for a boy. Teague Bradshaw; Ayla, Mackenzie, and Teague.
A lot of your middle name options seem like they’d be great as first names: Samuel, Maxwell, Harrison.
Baby Girl Davis, Sister to Piper Lynn
Lori writes:
I have a 2 year-old daughter Piper Lynn (my maiden name) Davis. We wanted something perky, upbeat and a little tomboyish yet unique enough to go with (the-incredibly-common) “Davis” – I think we got what we wanted.
I am now due with our second (and last) child who is a girl, due May 13, 2013 and would like a name to compliment Piper. Middle name will probably be Anne (it would be a 4th generation middle name). Obviously longer and traditional names are out. I also want to avoid anything too trendy or popular. Letters to avoid: “D”, “K”, “P” (but not absolutely). I want to avoid anything like Kaylie, Kayden, Peyton, etc.I’m not a huge believer in astrology but she will be a Taurus and potentially be born on my mother’s birthday (with whom I had a very rocky relationship growing up), so a name that could “counteract” those qualities would be appreciated. We had thought of Skylar, since sky is the opposite of earth (Taurus is an earth sign) but it seems a little heavy-handed to me.I thought Tatum would fit perfectly with Piper but no one can seem to get Tatum O’Neal and her monstrous history out of their heads. We have also considered: Margo, Marlowe, Sloane, Willa. I love the name Wesley but it, of course, is a strictly boy name. I can’t quite figure out what in the sound fascinates me.
The name Wesley is very occasionally used for girls (in 2011, the Social Security Administration reports 2450 new baby boys and 33 new baby girls named Wesley), but with Piper I think it reads boy.
The first alternate suggestion that comes to mind is Lesley: it’s different from Wesley by only one letter, and currently used mostly for girls. I’m not sure Lesley is a good fit with Piper, though.
Presley is another rhyming option. In 2011, there were 1384 new baby girls and 123 new baby boys named Presley. Presley Davis; Piper and Presley. Starts with a P, but I’d still consider it.
Next I think of Waverly. I’m not sure about the repeating -av- with the surname, though, and the initials WAD would bother me.
Next: Paisley. I think this one has a lot of possibility. It’s very similar in sound to Wesley, but it’s used mostly for girls. I think it shares the perky, upbeat, tomboyish sound of Piper. Unfortunately it starts with P, which you’d prefer to avoid, but I still think it’s a good option. If you were planning on more children, I might worry that it would be hard to find a third name to go as well with those two names as they go with each other, but since you’re not, I think they make a very appealing pair. Paisley Davis; Piper and Paisley.
Or there’s Ainsley or Kinsley, though Kinsley starts with K and Ainsley might not work with Anne.
I don’t know enough about astrology to give specific advice, but I think if I were looking for a symbolic name in this situation, I would look for something from a sign compatible with Taurus rather than opposed to it. Using a name opposite to Taurus seems like it symbolizes an urge to cancel out something that she is, or else to symbolically put her in conflict with herself or with her grandmother. I think I might instead look for a name that represents your own astrological sign (to symbolize your hope that your relationship with your daughter will be more compatible than the one you had with your mother), or represents one of the positive qualities of the Taurus sign. Though actually, I think I would abandon this idea entirely: I think a name of this sort might cause you to reflect on your rocky relationship with your mother every time you think of your daughter’s name.
Tamsin shares sounds but not reputation with Tatum. Tamsin Davis; Piper and Tamsin. I’m not sure I like it with Anne, though.
Or Gemma would work well, I think. Gemma Davis; Piper and Gemma.
Or Romy, or Rory. Romy Davis; Piper and Romy. Rory Davis; Piper and Rory. I particularly like Rory, if the initials RAD don’t bother you.
Quinn may be more unisex than you’d prefer (in 2011, there were 1117 new baby boys and 1680 new baby girls named Quinn), but with Piper I’d be more likely to think girl. Quinn Davis; Piper and Quinn. Maybe not with Anne.
I think Cleo would be great. Cleo Davis; Piper and Cleo. The initials would be CAD.
Or Merrin. Merrin Davis; Piper and Merrin. Initials MAD.
Or Brin. Brin Davis; Piper and Brin. Initials BAD. Goodness, the __AD is a little tricky to work with!
I wonder if the movie has been gone long enough for us to use Juno? Juno Davis; Piper and Juno.
Baby Girl Falcon, Sister to Stella Grace
Valerie writes:
I have read every crevice of your blog as we try to find a name for our second daughter (and last child), due to arrive in late March/early April and I would be thrilled to the input of you and your fabulous readers. We are stuck!
Our older daughter is Stella Grace and our last name is Falcon with an e at the end (sounds like Capone). Naming Stella was easy for us, as it was a name that we had fallen in love with many years before we were finally able to get pregnant. We loved the slight Italian feeling of it, and it’s meaning of “star”, and once we saw her little heartbeat flickering on the ultrasound and my husband offhandedly commented that it looked like a little star, we were sold and never looked back. We did not realize at the time that it had/would become a popular name.
We are having a harder time naming this little girl, I think because we don’t have the same type of long term attachment to a name, or any sort of a meaningful connection or story to go with it that makes us feel like “Yes, this is it!” Who knew that naming a daughter based solely on finding a “name we both love” could be so hard!?
I’d describe the name style that we are looking for as having an antique charm with classic sound, being familiar but not too common. We’d like it to be a nice complement to Stella (but not too matchy) with a bonus for having some Italian roots in either the first or middle spot. There are two names that continue to bubble to the top, but my husband and each love a different one more than the other. So we are trying to put them both to the side while we consider other names, as it’s hard to imagine choosing a name that either of us is at all hesitant about.
Scarlett Noelle Falcon(e)-this is my top choice, and my husband really likes it, but isn’t sold. Our concerns (though minor): Is Scarlett too sexy? Is Stella and Scarlett too matchy?
Ivy Caprice Falcon(e)-this is my husbands top choice, and I like it, but don’t love it. I am stuck on the concern that if Ivy becomes a more popular name she could end up being called Ivy F. (IVF) in school. My husband thinks I’m crazy for being worried about this but I can’t help it!Other names we are currently considering:
Serena-my husbands current faveGianna nn Gia or GiGiCorissa nn Cora (love that it has a tie to meaning heart in Italian, even if it’s loose, as a way to connect it to Stella’s star meaning). We are open to other ways to getting to Cora, or maybe just using Cora alone as well. I love Coraline, but we struggle with the movie connection.Caterina Patrice (an Italian version of our mom’s names, Catherine and Patricia). This has the meaning we are looking for, but we don’t LOVE it, and don’t think it’s a great match with StellaNames that we’ve considered, but taken off the table:
Emilia-I love, my husband does not like itLuciana or Lucia-I love (and my middle name is Lucille), my husband does not like itSeraphina-we both like, but don’t like it’s nicknames, especially SeraJuliana-we have close friends who just used this
Please help us! You and your readers always give such fabulous advice, and we would be so grateful for a nudge in the right direction. I promise to update with our decision and a picture once she arrives!
Thank you so much,
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An update since I last wrote:
We are both still feeling strongly about our first choices (mine: Scarlett, his now: Serena) but neither of us likes that it’s not the top choice for both of us. We’ve continued to brainstorm other names, or other variations of names we’ve been considering, as well as pairing middle names to see if that helps us. Nothing has emerged as a common favorite, and we’re not sure now how to resolve the fact that we have different top choices.
Here is our current list:
Scarlett Noelle-my first choice, my husbands 2nd choice. He struggles a bit with the “scar” part of the name
Serena (having a hard time with a middle. I like Rose and Rae, as a one syllable “sounds” right to me, but my husband doesn’t like either middle. Perhaps we’d go with Noelle here?)-my husbands 1st choice, my 3rd or 4th.
Caterina Patrice (versions of our Mom’s names as I described below, a sentimental favorite that we’ve had on our list for years, but it’s not our favorite name and we’re not sure it flows with Stella)
Everly Noelle
Noelle Seraphina
Ivy Caprice-I still have my “IVF” concerns, and my husband has let go of the name now since he loves Serena.
Cora Noelle – I love Cora, Rich likes it. This has been my 2nd choice for a while, but it’s a bit more complicated now as our good friends who love this name just had a miscarriage. We had agreed to both be free to use it, but now I feel like it would be insensitive, especially since it’s not our top choice. This is probably Rich’s 3rd choice, but he said it’s distant to Serena and Scarlett.Is there any other feedback or info I can give you that would help you to help us?
I think I’d like to start by making one long list of all the first-name candidates from both letters:
Scarlett
Ivy
Serena
Gianna
Corissa
Cora
Caterina
Everly
Noelle
And now I’ll start crossing off. First I would cross off Noelle, because Stella and Noelle are both “elle” names. (I think it would be a nice tie-in if used as the middle name.)
Then I’d cross off Ivy. I love the name, and I don’t think children generally know what IVF is, and IVF isn’t an insulting or negative thing, and I don’t think the name Ivy is going to be common enough among your daughter’s peers for their to be a high likelihood of more than one Ivy per class. But on the other hand, flukes can happen (there can be not one single Isabella in a classroom, but two Isadoras), and the IVF thing would bother me a little too even though I can mostly talk myself out of it, and anyway your husband has dropped it as his favorite so the motivation to make it work has faded.
Then I’d cross off Everly. I feel like it’s an outlier among your other name choices. (It might work very well as a middle name, however.)
I would cross both Cora and Corissa off the list, out of sensitivity toward your friends.
That leaves us with:
Scarlett
Serena
Gianna
Caterina
One thing I’ve noticed about a second child’s name is that it can give spin to the first child’s name. If a couple has a child named, say, Esther, it’s difficult to tell yet how to take that name: is it more of a biblical/devout choice, or is it more of a hipster choice, or is it a family name, or WHAT? The second child’s name can tell us more information: a little sister named Ruth tells us one thing, and a little sister named Matilda tells us another.
Stella is for me a name like Esther: I can picture taking it a few different ways. The name Scarlett clicks with the name Stella for me, I think because of the movie association (Gone With the Wind and A Streetcar Named Desire, respectively, plus the additional impact of the actress Scarlett Johansson). For me, using Scarlett puts a red-lipstick/Hollywood spin on both names.
With Gianna and Caterina, the name Stella instead spins more Italian: strong and pretty.
With Cora, the name Stella would have spun a different way: still strong, still pretty, but more sweet/vintage.
With Serena, the word-name aspect is brought to my attention. (I might also have noticed it with Cora.)
And so on. The names on your list all work very well with Stella, I think—but in quite different ways. One exercise that might help you narrow things down is to talk about what kind of images you get when you picture each of the possible sister pairs. Which set can you most easily imagine as Your Family?
I thought perhaps in this next paragraph I’d say which was my own favorite name from your list—but I’m finding it very difficult to choose. When I did the exercise where I pretended to cross off each name in turn, the one that gave me the most pain was Caterina. I think it’s beautiful; I love it with Stella; I love it with your surname. Most of all, I love that Caterina Patrice would honor both grandmothers in one shot. Imagine the happy weeping! And each girl would have a special story about her name.
I was reading over your letters again to see if I could figure out which name was your joint favorite, but what seems to be the overall theme is that none of the names strike both of you as being just right. Perhaps we’d have more luck looking for names that are similar to the ones on your list.
Let’s look at Scarlett, for example. Violet, Charlotte, and Skyler are all similar, though of course quite different in style.
Calista also seems similar to me. Stella and Calista. They do share several sounds, maybe too many sounds. I’m picturing introducing them (“This is Stella, and this is Calista”) and sometimes the pairing seems to have too many sounds in common and sometimes it just seems very well coordinated.
Now I’ve gotten distracted by the Italian section of The Baby Name Wizard, while looking to see if Calista is by any chance Italian (it’s Latin, so sort of pre-Italian, and also Greek). Oh! Oh oh oh! What about BIANCA? I love that name, and I think it goes beautifully with Stella! Stella and Bianca! Oh, I want to go back in time and have two girls and use those names! Stella Grace and Bianca Noelle.
Or Claudia. One of my favorite girl names was Claudia; it was unfortunate that Paul had a Significant Claudia in his past. (She was a very nice girl, but he still didn’t want to use the name for a daughter.) Stella and Claudia.
Or Elena is lovely, and somewhat similar to Serena. Stella and Elena. The Oxford Dictionary of First Names says that the meaning of the name is uncertain but may be connected with the words “ray” and “sunbeam”—what a nice coordinating meaning with Stella’s! But again, perhaps they have too many sounds in common.
Selena is similar to Serena, and may mean “moon.” Or the spelling Celina may tie it more to the meaning “celestial.” (The Oxford Dictionary of First Names says both names are of uncertain origin.)
Carys would be pretty. Stella and Carys. It does make me think of Stella Maris, but that’s not negative.
Or Geneva: a little like Serena, a little like Gianna. Stella and Geneva.
With Serena, I like the idea of the middle name Noelle. I also like Celeste or Corinne. Or to coordinate with Grace, I like Kate or May or Pearl. Oh, or Joy! I love Serena Joy, unless that’s getting a little too wordy.
I see I never answered if I thought Stella and Scarlett were too matchy. I think if you were planning more children, I might worry that the combination would make you feel like you had to choose something equally well-coordinated for a third child; because you’re stopping at two, I don’t think they’re too matchy.
It’s true that it may come down to one of you liking the name more than the other does. I think that must in fact be typical: I think it’s less common for both parents to love a name equally. Sometimes retrospect takes care of these things: if one parent loves the name almost as much as the other does, it may feel to them later on as if they always loved the name just as much.
One way to make things feel more balanced is this: let the preference tip the other direction for the middle name. So for example, if you end up choosing your husband’s favorite of Serena, perhaps the middle name could be one of your favorites such as Luciana or Rose or Scarlett.
Lana Cara
Jenn writes:
I’m due with my first baby July 12th, and it’s a girl! I want her middle name to be Cara after my sister. The first names we narrowed down are Lana, Olivia, and Lily. My husband and I are really favoring Lana at the moment, but I’m wondering if that name really goes with Cara. (the pronunciation isn’t Care-uh, but Ca-ruh – the a sound as in cat). Our last name is Weber. My sister doesn’t know yet I’m honoring her with the middle name, so I don’t want to ask too many friends or family or they might spill the beans. I’d love input from you and your readers.
Thanks!
I think it depends on a few different things. First, are you pronouncing the La- of Lana more like the lla- of llama (so that Lana rhymes with Donna) or more like the la- of land (so that Lana rhymes with banana)? Now that I say both aloud, I think either one works with Cara in its own way: one by repeating/enforcing the vowel sound of Cara, the other by contrasting slightly with it. But some people might like one way and not the other. (Though I’m having a little trouble figuring out how Cara is pronounced. Is it like the word car, followed by an -ah/-uh sound?)
Secondly, is yours the sort of family where children are routinely called by first and middle names together? If so, it’s more important that that names go together. If not, I consider the honor name to completely trump issues of whether the fit is perfect.
Thirdly, what do YOU think? The sound of two names together is highly subjective: one person may love a sound combination while another can hardly stand it, but neither person’s opinion means the name objectively DOES or DOESN’T work. We could all vote on every name combination, and you would find us split on every single one, with some people saying “It’s great! I love it!” and others saying “Dear me, no, that doesn’t work AT ALL!”—so the important thing is whether you think the name works well enough to use, taking into account the considerable benefit of being able to use an honor name.
But in any case, my vote is that it’s fine: if when you say it aloud you’re not immediately thinking it’s an obvious and impossible clash, then it’s not too much of a clash for an honor name situation. And depending on how Lana and Cara are pronounced, I might in fact think they’re wonderful together.