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Baby Girl Rice, Sister to Thomas, Lila, and Audrey

C. writes:

I’m wondering if you can help us name our precious wee baby girl. We
have three kids (Thomas Peter, Lila Jean, and Audrey Claire) and
despite endless searching and questioning after we named them, they are
SO their names! All three have honour names as middles. Our last name
starts with a R and sounds like “Rice”.

We really feel we need to find the perfect name for our next little
girl. It has been a rough pregnancy with lots of complications and
there’s a chance she might not make it to term and/or need heart
surgery as soon as she’s born. All the more reason to find the perfect
name now as whenever she is born she will be baptized right away.

I want to avoid an uber common name and our preference is names that
are well established and somewhat traditional. Our style is
vintage/classic/timeless, something easy to say and spell and
unmistakably feminine.

Our short list for our previous girls was:
– Jane (too “plain” or understated? It feels that way…)
– Georgia (husband not keen)
– Elizabeth (my husbands fav but is super popular in our area)
– Maeve
– Calla (unsure if we can have both a Lila and a Calla)
– Abigail (popularity held us back)

…and that’s where we’re stuck…

Is there a name out there we’re missing?

The name Vivian keeps coming to mind but I’m not sure why. Not a name
we’d ever discussed. Husband is lukewarm on it but I find myself
referring to her as Vivian already. Is this name destined to become
too popular?

Other names I’ve always liked are Adeline, Eloise, Nora, Cora, Natalie, Molly…

I tried doing the “lets each make a list and compare notes for
similarities” exercise with my husband and he’s so stuck in the 80’s.
I believe his list included Danielle, Heather, Lindsay, etc. He is
pretty open to most names I suggest, just doesn’t want common or “made
up” sounding.

I just want so badly to find a name we LOVE as a way to convince
myself everything will be ok with this little one…as silly as that
might seem!

Please help us?

 

The Oxford Dictionary of First Names, to which I generally defer, says Vivian is “from an Old French form of the Latin name Vivianus (probably a derivative of vivus ‘alive’).” Because of “Viva la revolucion,” “Viva la vida loca,” and other similar phrases, the possible viv/life connection stands out to me immediately. This meaning could be heartening and celebratory, if all goes well.

Is Vivian destined to become too popular? Hard to say—and it depends on what you mean by too popular. Here’s what the last ten years have been like:

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That doesn’t look too scary to me. The spelling Vivienne has had a more startling rise: not even in the Top 1000, and then suddenly appearing at #531 in 2009. Here’s how things have gone since then:

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Again, that’s not too scary to me. If it had gone #500, #300, #100, #27, that would be another story. Instead, it’s made reasonable jumps as the sounds of the name have come into fashion.

I do expect the name to continue its rise, especially as parents who love the name Evelyn look for less common alternatives. But with Lila and Audrey, I think the popularity of Vivian is perfectly placed: not too common, not too uncommon.

I don’t find the name Jane too plain at all. We did a post recently on that; if you want encouragement to use Jane, I suggest reading the enthusiastic comments. I love the sound of Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Jane.

If Jane still feels too plain, I wonder if you would like June? Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and June.

If your husband likes Elizabeth but you find it too common in your area, I’d normally suggest Eliza—but in this case, that seems too close to Lila. In which case, I like Eloise from your list, if your husband could be brought around to it by how similar some of the sounds are to Elizabeth. Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Eloise.

The name Nadia means “hope,” and I think it works well with the sibling names. Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Nadia.

The name Valerie means “healthy, strong.” Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Valerie. I am a little uncertain about the repeating R sound of Valerie Rice, but I think it’s fine.

The name Felicity means “happy and lucky,” and I think it may have the unusual/vintage sound you’re looking for. Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Felicity.

Or Cecily would be pretty: Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Cecily.

If you don’t mind the similarity to another daughter’s middle name (I don’t mind such things myself, but I know many people prefer to avoid it), Clara is similar to Cora and Calla. Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Clara. As with Valerie, the -ra/Rice makes me hesitate, but I don’t think it would make me cross it off the list.

[Edited to add: After I wrote this and posted it, I was doing a final proof-read and the name Eve came to my mind. Eve Rice; Thomas, Lila, Audrey, and Eve.]

 

 

Name update! C. writes:

Just wanted to thank you and your readers for all the name feedback for our 4th baby. She arrived 7 weeks early and has already sailed through her first major surgery with flying colours. She truly is a little miracle. We had shelved any name discussions recently but top contenders were Jane and Vivian. A few days before she was born I suggested a name to my husband and surprisingly we instantly agreed. When she was born unexpectedly and we saw her, there was no doubt that was her name….introducing Eleanor Anne! We think she’s pretty awesome and her name flows so well with the other kids – Thomas, Lila, Audrey & Eleanor….family complete!

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Baby Girl Hudson: Louise, Beatrice, Eleanor, or Julia?

E. writes:

Our first baby is due in four weeks and we’re still mulling over a name for her.

Our surname sounds very similar to “Hudson” with one letter off.

We have a few girls’ names we really like but are trying to find the right combination. We tend towards classic, not-too-common names.

First names we like:

Louise (my husband and I met in New Orleans, Louisiana; we’d use the nickname Lou), Beatrice (love the nickname Bea/Bee), Eleanor (Ella), Julia

Middle names we like:

Victoria (my husband’s mother’s name), Rose (my grandmother’s maiden name), Louise.

My husband really likes the combination of Eleanor Louise – but I’m concerned that Ellie/Ella are too popular and that it’s too many L sounds in the name. He also likes the name Katherine, but my concern is that a well-known Kate Hudson exists in the world already.

I like Beatrice Louise or Louise Victoria – but wondering if the expression “geez Louise” is an obstacle and if “Lou Hudson” is too masculine?

One other consideration is that our dog is named Lucy so yelling Louise/Lucy could get confusing.

Thanks for the help!

 

I think “Geez Louise” is fine; I don’t think many people say it anymore, and I find it appealing rather than off-putting. I can picture using it with the child, when I want to scold her but very lightly: “Geez Louise, your ROOM!”

I don’t think I’d worry about Lou Hudson being too masculine: if she doesn’t like that, she won’t use the nickname, or she’ll use Lou-lou/Lulu instead. And if she does like it, she might REALLY like it: there are a lot of people specifically looking for feminine names with boyish nicknames (Samantha/Sam, Charlotte/Charlie, etc.).

Eleanor Louise sounds great to me—not too many L sounds.

The Kate Hudson connection would bother me too. I think Katherine would work great as a middle name, though. Eleanor Katherine is very pretty, or Julia Katherine.

The dog-name confusion, if it turns out to be an issue, will not be…er, permanent. And you might find you use a different tone of voice with the dog than with your child, and/or that it is funny and cute the way the dog always comes trotting over when you call Louise to dinner, and/or that you enjoy saying “Lucy and Louise, let’s go on a walk!”

Looking over the firsts and middles, I’m hardly even inclined to make any combinations: it feels like a “can’t go wrong” pair of lists. I like all the ones you mentioned (Eleanor Louise, Beatrice Louise, Louise Victoria), and also:

Beatrice Rose
Beatrice Victoria
Eleanor Katherine

If I were forced to choose, I think my top choice would be Louise Victoria. I lean toward the name Louise if you want something less common, since both Eleanor and Julia are enjoying popularity right now; I also love the name for itself, and I like its connection to you and your husband. I also like Beatrice: I have Beatrix on my own list, and a large part of it is how much I would love calling her Bee and purchasing bee things.

I feel very drawn to Eleanor Katherine and Eleanor Louise. My only concern with those is the way Eleanor and Ella are moving so quickly up the popularity charts. I’m not concerned about the current popularity of the name Eleanor (it was at #135 in 2012, which is still quite uncommon), but if popularity is one of your main preferences I would be nervous about steering you toward it in case it continued its upward path. And Ella was #12 in 2012—nearly Top 10.

One option that combines Ella and Louise is Eloise. I like Eloise Katherine, or Eloise Victoria.

Would others like to pair up some combinations? Here are the first names:

Louise
Beatrice
Eleanor
Julia

And here are the middles:

Victoria
Rose
Louise
(and I added Katherine)

Middle Name Challenge: Dixon ______ Shields

Carolyn writes:

I’m due with our first child in 3 weeks (eek!). We didn’t find out the baby’s sex. We have a girl’s name figured out…Claudia Katherine Shields. We picked Claudia because it is pretty/unusual and Katherine is both of our moms names.

We’ve decided on Dixon for a boy’s first name. It’s a family last name on my mom’s side and it’s also to honor my dad, Richard, who passed away (Dixon means ‘son of Richard’ according to the websites I’ve read).

I’m emailing you to request help deciding on a middle name for Dixon. Here are the middle names we’ve narrowed it down to:

-Page (My maiden name but I’ve never heard it used for a boy…too feminine?)
-McQuade (It’s a family name/my father-in-law’s middle name but are Dixon and McQuade both too unusual to pair together?)
-James (It’s my husband’s favorite and somewhat of a family name on my side. I’m not sure if it sounds funny to have both his middle and last name ending in ‘s’. That could be the speech-therapist in me talking, though!)

So…what do you think?:
Dixon Page Shields
Dixon McQuade Shields
Dixon James Shields

Any input you could give would be GREATLY appreciated!!
Thanks :-)

 

The name Page/Paige is currently used exclusively for girls in the United States. Here are the 2012 numbers:

Page, F: 25
Page, M: –
Paige, F: 2892
Paige, M: –

If you were using a more familiar first name, I’d still be open to the idea of using it for a boy’s middle name: the sounds themselves are not distinctly feminine, the Page spelling seems significantly more usable for a boy than Paige, and I love the idea of getting your maiden name in there. But with a name like Dixon (a name given to only 54 babies in 2012), I’d be more inclined to find a familiar and clearly masculine middle name—especially since your girl-name choice is an uncommon first name followed by a familiar middle name.

McQuade seems a little too cool with Dixon. I like McQuade itself, and I like the idea of using it, but I don’t think I’d pair it with Dixon. I’d like it so much more in a name that could use a bit of a coolness injection: Robert McQuade Shields, for example, or Henry McQuade Shields, or Benjamin McQuade Shields. It seems like it would work particularly well if you had another son later and were worried your favorite first name weren’t quite cool enough with Dixon: using McQuade in the middle would even things out, and also give each boy a great family name. Or McQuade might be a very cool first name: Dixon and McQuade.

My own first choice for the middle name would be James. It’s handsome, masculine, and simple, and it coordinates nicely with Katherine if you have a girl later on.

Let’s have a poll to see what everyone else likes best!

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[Edited to add: I had another thought, if you reconsider the name Dixon: Richardson would honor your father in a similar way, without some of the issues mentioned in the comments. I think Richardson Page would work well.]

 

 

Name update! Carolyn writes:

Thanks so much for printing my letter a few weeks ago. Your input and your readers’ input was very helpful. I wanted to update you that we did end up having a baby boy and we named him Dixon James Shields. The name suits him perfectly. We are madly in love with him!
Thanks again!

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Baby Boy or Girl Sauce-a-man, Sibling to Russell (Russ); Also, a List of Things to Watch Out for When Choosing an Outlier Name

Leann writes:

My husband and I are expecting our second child in September, and since we love the element of surprise a new baby brings, we chose not to know the sex of the baby until he or she arrives. However, we are very much in the same boat naming-wise as we were two years ago with our first, a boy, Russell (Russ), trying to choose a girl name that just feels right for us. Russ was my late grandfather’s name, and is so special to us both, we knew it was “the one” for a boy, but we had several girl name options going into the delivery room. Not much has changed this time either!

Our last name sounds like Sauce-a-man. I had worried about it being a mouthful with Russell, but really we haven’t had any problems with it. For a boy we really like the name Burke Velde. Burke is just a surname we have heard that is not really “significant” to the family, but Velde is my husband’s grandfather’s name, and we like that as a middle name. There were no other notable contenders for a boy name, but I haven’t completely closed the door either.

For girl names we are stumped. I love the name Louise (nn. Lou) for a little girl. My husband loves the name Wynn (nn. Winnie). I like his name choice too, and he likes mine, but we LOVE our own picks. Haha. I would “let” him choose Wynn, really, if I could get rid of the feeling that it looks/sounds kind of made up. Do you think it seems like a made up name or a super trendy name? I just wonder about my dad “getting it” or spelling it correctly eventually if it is too out there.

We haven’t chosen a middle name for a girl yet because I read on your blog not to pin yourself in with a middle if you haven’t chosen a solid first yet…so…that’s what we are doing J We have read a particular naming book that was helpful for finding our “style” which ended up crossing into a few others, but mostly sticking to more traditional, older names. I work with senior citizens, and this did not surprise me at all! Burke may be an outlier from our style, do you think that is a terrible thing?

Our other names for a girl were: Meryl, Marie, Winifred, Diane

Other names on our boy list were: Reid (didn’t want to be the “R” family), Clark

Ruth was a top contender along with Louise for our first baby, but now that he is a Russ, I would rather not be the Russ-Ruth-_R_______ family if we are fortunate to have more! (Which I hope we are!)

Again, thank you (and your readers!) so much for any suggestions,

 

Wynn seems neither made-up nor trendy to me. I also like the spelling Wynne.

But my attention is seized by Winifred in your list. This seems like the perfect name to me: underused, definitely not made-up or trendy, and you could use Wynn as the nickname. Russell/Russ and Winifred/Wynn. I especially love Winifred Louise.

No, I don’t think it’s a terrible thing to use a name that’s a style outlier for you. I think the things to watch for are:

• that the name not make the group of names sound comical, or make it seem as if the parents have special plans/hopes for one child (David, Einstein, and Andrew, for example)

• that the name not suggest to hearers that the parents wanted a child of the opposite sex (three girls named Isabella, Sophia, and Elliot, for example)

• that the name not cut you off from names you might want to use in the future, by making the style-outlier-name child seem more and more left out of the group if you choose the names you usually like

While Burke feels somewhat different in style and popularity, both Russell and Burke are surname names and seem compatible.

I like Clark even better, though. Burke when said aloud makes me think of burp and berk. Clark has a similar snappy sound, and goes very well with other names from your lists. Or Blake would be nice, or Beck, or Grant.

 

 

Name update! Leann writes:

We were so happy you jumped in and helped us! After probably too much discussion, we tabled our names for a bit, and actually ended up making the final decision whilst in the car zooming to the hospital in labor :)

We were blessed with a baby girl.

You were so right! (As were many of your readers…) We had been overlooking THE name that we’d already had on our list. We named her Winifred Marie. I love it more every day. One of the comments that stuck out to us was this one by Heather, “A lot of vintage names come across as all pearls and lace, but Winifred can make you tea and beat your sorry behind at golf”. I think you were right, it was right in our “style” the whole time!

Here is a photo of Russell and Winifred together… this is as close as he would get to her!

Again, thank you so much! We so appreciated the help!

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Baby Naming Issue: Baby Name Regret 5

A. writes:

I’m a new father writing to seek some advice, or perhaps consolation, for my baby name regret I am suffering over my 4-month-old son.

His name is Dean. My wife and I named him after my maternal grandfather, who is still alive and lives three hours away from me.

Here’s the catch.

My grandfather spells his name Deane.

In the beginning we talked about family names (although this is not necessarily a tradition in our families) and both liked the name Dean, agreeing that it met our guidelines for being short, masculine, unique and not trendy. We both agreed we liked the more common spelling (“Dean” without the extra “e”.), in large part because our last name is so frequently mistaken for a similar-sounding surname. We figured it would be best to keep spelling as simple as possible.

While I’m not terribly close to my grandfather, he is someone I admire, having been a great husband to my grandma and family man. In other words, he’s an excellent candidate for naming your son after.

Momentum just rolled toward the name Dean. As time wore on, however, I grew worried about how my grandfather would respond to the spelling change. I think I mostly kept the anxiety to myself. Then, when my wife was 8 months pregnant, I suggested we spell it “Deane,” like my grandfather, or consider another name. This angered her greatly. She had fallen in love with the name Dean, and was also firmly opposed to spelling it Deane. She got feisty. I back tracked and submitted.

The next day, at my wife’s suggestion, I called my mom to talk it over with her. My mom told me that Grandpa wouldn’t care and that “your grandpa would probably prefer his grandson not bear the burden of having that extra “e” on the end.” She said he had grown tired of being called “Deanne” and “Deanie” by people who didn’t recognize the name. (He also regularly gets mail for Deanne).

So we agreed to Dean. On the day he was born, I had a lot of anxiety (which I kept to myself).

For the record, no one in the family has said anything bad. My grandfather has been very understanding (at least outwardly) and has shown no sign of disappointment. He regularly asks my mom about “Little Dean” and says he enjoys receiving photographs. In fact, after a day where he was called “Deanne” one too many times, he told my parents “I’m so thankful that my great-grandson doesn’t have that “e” on the end.”

Still, I continue to have the same fears I did beforehand, that:

1) We were jerks and bad family members for even considering changing the spelling in the first place because using a family name is so sacred.

2) We somehow insulted my grandfather by not going with the original spelling. (I imagine that after a lifetime of having to remind people that you have an “e” on the end of your name, the ultimate insult is when your great-grandson is named after you, but without the “e.” My mom says that I am wrong here.)

I coped for the first three months. But lately it has caused me enough torment that I sank into depression and am in therapy for it. It’s the only thing I can think about and it keeps me up all night long. I simply can’t sleep. It’s such an awful thing to second guess your son’s name around the clock. Especially when he is named after your own grandfather and you bear so much guilt over it.

My wife says changing the name in any way is out of the question and that I am being irrational. Otherwise she has been very supportive and has put up with a lot of grief.

I don’t know what to do, and his full name, which I am declining to reveal, lends itself to no obvious nicknames.

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I have a rather severe case of baby name regret, but the name cannot be changed. I could write a novel on my name regret. I’ll spare you most details except that the child is 9 mos old and he is named in honor of my 86-year-old grandfather.
The regret has caused me all sorts of guilt, feelings of failure and mental anguish, which my wife and I are trying to work through.

I’ve done some online research on “name regret,” which is how I found your website. Most of what I have read on your site and others are accounts of women who experienced acute name regret, perhaps as a result of post partem depression, and got over it once the depression lifted. I’ve also seen accounts of women who changed the child’s name and were very relieved. But I haven’t seen any accounts of women who kept the name and just learned to live with it, even if they didn’t like it. (Perhaps because no one wants to admit publicly that they don’t like their kid’s name.) I’ve also yet to find accounts of men going through this, which makes me feel rather alone.

In your blog experience, have you ever spoken with parents who were able to put their regret behind them and just learn to live with it? If so, what was their experience like.

I worry that this is going to haunt me forever. I hope that when he is 5, I’m not still living in regret.

I would love to hear that other parents went through this too and that eventually it passed and they were able to cope with it.

Thanks for any consolation you can offer.

 

In my experience, name regret is rarely about the baby’s name. If you’ve examined my site as well as other sites, you HAVE read posts where the parent got over it, and you HAVE read posts where the parent just learned to live with it, and you HAVE read posts where the parent changed the name and the change did not bring relief—but you have found reasons to disregard them all. You’re thinking that if you were to find the perfect post that reflected your exact situation, THEN you’d feel better, but I think that’s a false goal: if you did find a post reflecting your exact situation, you would find a reason to disregard that as well. Let’s say you found a post by a man talking about his agonizing regret and saying that he then learned to live with the name—how would that help you learn to live with it? What if you found a post by a man who had NOT learned to cope? Would that help you? Why?

I remember your first letter. You gave your son the right name on many levels and for many reasons, and everyone thinks so except you (including your grandfather, who would have hated it and perhaps even felt guilty if you’d used the other spelling he hated so much). If everyone important to you is telling you you absolutely did the right thing, will it help to have a stranger say the same thing? If so: You did the right thing. If you had named him Deane, you would likely be going through the exact same crisis now, wondering if you should have named him Dean.

With issues of this sort, the usual suggestion is not for the person to try to stop thinking about it (“trying not to think about it” = useless), but instead for them to focus their attention on something else. Focus on your darling son, whose name could be Carrot for all that matters. Focus on your wife, who has spent her first 9 months as a mother babying you as well as her baby. Focus on your grandfather, who has been honored and has specifically said he’s relieved you didn’t go with the other spelling. If you must, turn your attention briefly to larger depressing matters, to give you a sense of how truly unimportant this issue is in the big picture. Many people find some relief with volunteer work.

Or try thought exercises. Let’s say you have given him the worst possible name. You haven’t, but let’s pretend for a moment that your worst fears are realized and you REALLY DID GIVE HIM THE WRONG NAME. Now realize this: it STILL doesn’t matter. It’s just a name. Names are not “sacred”; names are collections of sounds used to help us tell people apart. Your grandfather didn’t spell his name Deane; his PARENTS spelled it Deane—to his lasting inconvenience and irritation. No one thinks taking away the disliked/inconvenient E is “the ultimate insult,” and why would they? If you wanted to insult your grandfather, and you thought long and hard about the absolute best way to show him your intense scorn and dislike, would you have done it by naming your son Dean? Did you chuckle evilly as you filled out the birth certificate, saying, “THAT’LL show the old man how much I despise him!!”? No.

In my own struggles with misplaced anxiety, I have found it helpful to imagine that someone is coming to me with the same problem I am having. Imagine reading your own letter, written by someone else: this other man’s grandfather was named Frances, but he’s named his son Francis because that’s the traditionally male spelling and his grandfather always hated his name spelled with the E and wished his name was Francis. Now he’s worried he’s basically stabbed his grandfather in the back and then poured in some acid to make sure he REALLY felt the wound, even though in real life the grandfather wiped his brow and expressed relief that his grandson went with the right spelling. Would you agree that the writer should be in such agony? Would you agree that in a situation where nothing can be changed, the people involved can productively spend their time feeling horrible about it?

I have also found it useful to ask myself this question: “What is it you WANT?”—and then to ask myself why I want it and whether I can have it. It sounds to me like what you want is to go back in time and use Deane instead of Dean, AND for that to be what everyone else (your grandfather, your wife) wants too. The reason you want it is that you think it’ll make you feel better, and the answer to whether you can have it is no. Or do you want to read your grandfather’s mind, so as to be reassured that he REALLY DOES think it was best to name your son Dean? You can’t have that, either. Do you want to be individually reassured by every person on the planet that you did the right thing? No again. Is there anything you want that you CAN have? Aim for those goals.

Think of all the countless generations that have come before you, since the time humans started referring to each other by name. Think of all the women who have married men whose families had naming traditions, and all the parents who got bullied into using a name they didn’t want to use. Think of all the situations where you can tell there had to have been serious compromises: a child is named Richard but called Jack, or named Edgar but called Jason. Believe me when I say that you are not the only one who didn’t/doesn’t like his or her child’s name. Some people HATE their children’s names, and of course they don’t discuss it: they don’t want to hurt the child’s feelings. They know the child is more important than the name.

It doesn’t matter if your son’s name doesn’t lend itself to a nickname. Call him Buddy. Call him Partner. Call him Sport. Call him Little Guy. Call him Honey. Call him Sweetie-muffin. Call him Son. Call him Ol’ Blue/Green/Brown-Eyes. Call him Lovey. Call him D. Call him Captain McStinkyBritches. Call him anything that rhymes with what you’re saying to him (“Let’s go, Joe” and “Time for school, McCool”). Call him Biscuit. Call him Bear. Call him Bean. Call him Cheeks. Or call him Dean/Deane, because they’re identical when said aloud.

If it helps, imagine that you didn’t name him after your grandfather. No, you just named him Dean because you and your wife both loved the name and agreed on it. And, coincidentally, how nice: the name has a very positive association for you because it reminds you of your grandfather’s name.

I too hope that you are not still living this way when he is five. As a parent, one of your biggest challenges will be keeping things in perspective. There will be many, many opportunities in your son’s life for you to be wracked with guilt and uncertainty, and many, many opportunities for you to cope with situations where a decision (either yours or someone else’s) is not changeable and your only option is to brush your hands together briskly and say, “Welp, I guess since we can’t go back, we have to start from where we are!”

But let me tell you this, and I want you to listen to me carefully: You gave him the right name. AND IF YOU HADN’T: it would still be absolutely fine.

Baby Girl or Boy W., Sibling to Atticus and Elm

Amy writes:

I’m pregnant with our 3rd and probably final baby, due in February. We have a 3 year old boy named Atticus and a 2 year old girl (whose initials you and your readers helped us with before she was born, thank you!) named Elm. We love both of their names and want something unique but meaningful for this baby too. Atticus was named after To Kill A Mockingbird and I like that it has an easy explanation for introductions (“Atticus, like To Kill A Mockingbird”). Elm was named because my husband and I met while working at a summer camp and fell in love in the woods. It also has an easy explanation (“Elm, like the tree”). Our last name starts with W which rules out lots of lovely W names such as Willa for a girl or Wilder for a boy. Can’t start with W and you have to be able to pronounce it at first glance are the only hard and fast rules. Our name method has always been that I’m the one who comes up with the names and my husband is the one who vetos. I am less picky than he is and would have happily settled on several different names for each of our kids.

Here are the girl names he has vetoed so far for various reasons for this baby:
Felicity (my favorite)
Iris
Lucy
Juniper (June)
Calla
Fiona

We had decided on a boy name, Orion, but now my husband says he’s having second thoughts and is worried it’s too “out there.” It’s very close to Atticus in rank on the social security list and considering Elm has never even been on the list at all I don’t think it’s too “out there” for our name set. I love the stars and mythology tie-ins, it has an easy introduction explanation (“Orion, like the constellation”), it’s something I can remember as child my mom always pointing out to us in the sky, and I love the idea of a stars/space nursery. Atticus, Elm, and Orion. What do you think?

The middle name for either boy or girl will be Beck, my mother in law’s maiden name.

I’m only 10 weeks along but we like to have our names picked out early on and we will pick one definitively and stick with it, not keep 2 or 3 rolling around until he/she is born. So laying a hand on my belly and thinking about baby Something Beck Doubleyou just isn’t doing it for me. Help!

Thank you!

 

Before I’d encountered the name on an actual child, I might have guessed the name Orion would be too out there. But I’ve encountered one boy named Orion and one girl with a similar name (Auryan), both in a way that let me hear their names said again and again, and the effect was not out-there. On the girl, the name had the flavor of Aurora (exotic, yes, but not weird), combined with the boyish Ryan. On the boy, the name sounds so much like the familiar Ryan (in fact, my ear first heard it as O’Ryan), it takes the “out there” factor down significantly. It definitely catches the ear as distinctive, and also as distinct from Ryan—but the similar sound makes the ear say “Well, why WOULDN’T that be a name?”

Girl name possibilities (I’m suggesting even ones that aren’t ideal with Beck):

Athena
Audra
Azalea
Briar
Clarity
Cleo
Clover
Coral
Fallon
Fern
Haven
Hyacinth
Juno
Lark
Linden
Marigold
Opal
Pearl
Prairie
Spring
Verity
Wren
Zinnia

 

 

Name update! Amy writes:

I wrote to you several times this pregnancy (Baby W, sibling to Atticus & Elm) and you & your readers were so helpful. My husband and I read through your reply & all the comments multiple times. We quickly & easily agreed on Ivy Beck W. as our girl name after several people suggested it in the first post. The boy name was trickier & at different points we had settled on Sullivan nn Sully then Hawthorn nn Hawk when two days before the birth we both decided it just didn’t feel right and went back to our original choice, Orion. I think secretly we were both expecting a girl and thought maybe that’s why we’d had so much uncertainty about a boy name. But surprise! It IS a boy and we’re thrilled. Orion Cash W., 2/10/14, 9 lbs 5 oz! (middle name honors my husband’s best friend). He and his name are both perfect- thank you again for all your help!

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Baby Naming Issue: How Do You Know if You Love a Name?

Allyson writes:

How do you know if you LOVE a name versus thinking you love a name? Sort of like when you’re 13 you LOVE your boyfriend but your parents know it’s puppy love and in another couple of years you won’t even remember his name? My husband and I are trying for #2 soon. We thought we had a boy name picked out – Colton – but I’m over it. It’s just very blah to me now. We have another boy name picked out (Tucker), but I don’t know if I love it….or if I love it right now and in 10 years will wish I had chosen something else. Or first son is Barrett, a name I stumbled on before I was even pregnant. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

Oh, and if you have any names in the Barrett – Colton – Tucker genre I’d love to hear those as well. Or last name is Clark so it wipes out some of my favorites (like Blake and Cole).

Thanks!

 

“How do you know if you love a name?” is a question I’d answer in this case with another question: How did you know with your first son’s name? For some people, they know they love a name when they feel like they can’t let it go; for other people, the name feels like it clicks into place; for still others, they know when no other name seems better. And some people never DO know: they run out of time and have to choose one of several good options.

It’s true that some parents later regret a choice—but in most cases, putting the name on the birth certificate seems to freeze it into place. We’d chosen a girl name for our first two pregnancies (both boys), and when we actually had a girl we no longer wanted to use the name—but if we’d had a girl earlier and HAD used the name, I don’t think we would have become similarly bored with it. Once you use the name, it gets linked firmly to the child: the name is no longer “a name,” it’s “this beloved person.” If there are any regrets about the name, they tend to be minor and have more to do with things other than the name itself: for example, a family may regret that a name got so popular or wish they’d loved something less popular, but that doesn’t mean they would actually like to choose a different name for the child.

It’s nice that there’s typically a period of time (during pregnancy, or while waiting for a child to be adoptable) for trying out names before the final decision needs to be made. I found I had several names that rose to the top during the choosing process and then fell right back down—puppy-love names. Or I had names that I would have thought pre-pregnancy would be contenders, but as soon as an actual baby was on the way, the names didn’t feel right anymore. Other names endured—which is not to say I never had doubts (in the hospital I was still fretting about my daughter’s name, and I wish we’d known a name we used for one of our sons was Top 10 in our state even though it was in the 30s nationally), but rather that the name lasted long enough for me to be fairly sure it was at least on the list of names that would be good choices for the baby.

Two of my favorite surname names are Wilson and Miller. Similar to Tucker (but with fewer potential word-confusion issues) is Turner. Similar to Colton are Colter and Coleman and Colby and Lincoln and Nicholson and Keegan and Collins.

Baby Girl Marasco, Sister to Malia

Rebecca writes:

Naming our first daughter was extremely difficult and due to an early delivery we enlisted your help but didn’t get decide on a name until she was already born in the hospital.  https://www.swistle.com/babynames/2010/06/30/baby-girl-marasco/.  Our older daughter is now 3 years old and we love her name (Malia Aiko Marasco) and get compliments on it all the time.  We are facing the impossible task of naming another girl and have been so imtimdated by it that we have left it to the last minute.  Our next (and last) baby is due in September but it looks like she will be early as well.

My name is Rebecca Marasco and my husband is of Japanese and Italian descent and his name is Marc.  We are open to another Hawaiian or Japanese name, but it’s not required.  We don’t have any family names we are conscidering this time but an “E” name would be nice to honor my grandmother.  We are almost out of time and don’t have any names we love and can’t find any names we like more than Malia.

Our top contender (Seneca) was actually the runner up for our older daughter.  It was a name I liked all along, but my husband didn’t care for it the first time.  Now it’s his favorite too as he said it just took 3 years to warm up to it.  I can’t help but feel that if it wasn’t good enough for Malia it isn’t good enough for the new baby.  I was thinking of Seneca Meadow Marasco but I worry it sounds too much like a place.

The only other name I liked was Aria (husband doesn’t like Ariana) as I also like the nick name Ari.  I do worry that it is getting too popular and is a little too similar to Malia.  I also like Everly and or middle names like Echo, Nova or Meadow.

My husband likes the name Hazel, but that’s just too old fashioned to me.  He also like Lucia (which I found too close to Malia) as well as Leila and Aria.

We would like a name that pronouces easily, isn’tt too similar to her sister’s name, isn’t too popular but still sounds familiar.  Besides Seneca being a boy’s name, we are generally not interested in boy’s names turned into girl’s names.

Thank you so much for your help and we look forward to your advice and the great advice from your readers,

 

Every single name except the name Malia could by definition be put in a category titled “Wasn’t Good Enough for Malia,” so I’d suggest starting by re-naming that category. Another good category title could be “Wasn’t the Right Name for Malia”: her name was MALIA, not Seneca. Perhaps the name Seneca is exactly right for this baby, and that’s why it wasn’t right for your first baby. If you both love it and nothing else seems right, I think you’ve got your name.

We had something similar happen at our house. When we were expecting our firstborn, I had a name high on my list but Paul didn’t like it. When we were expecting our second baby, I had the name on my list again—and Paul chose it as his favorite, and we used it even though I felt a little weird about using a name he’d previously completely rejected. And it worked out even better than I’d hoped: the actual name is a name that seems happy and easy-going to us, and our secondborn’s temperament matches the way we see the name—but our firstborn’s doesn’t. For us, our image of the name would have been a misfit on our firstborn, but it was perfect on our secondborn.

Seneca Meadow does sound a little place-like to me, but not overly. Do you tend to use first-and-middles in your family—that is, do people call your first daughter Malia Aiko? If so, then I’d probably look for another middle name. If not, and if Meadow is your favorite middle name, I think I’d be more on the side of choosing what you like: middle names tend to disappear into Paperwork Only after the birth announcements go out.

If Meadow continues not to sit right with you, I’d suggest looking at the names that didn’t work as first names (Hazel, Lucia, Leila, Aria). Seneca Aria is my favorite: it lets you use that name without worrying about its popularity or its similarity to Malia, and Seneca Aria is nicely parallel to Malia Aiko.

 

 

Name update! Rebecca writes:

thank you again for choosing our question for your website and thank you for running it in time for us to have a little while to digest all of the information before our daughter’s early arrival.  We still didn’t have a name until after she was born but we are very happy to introduce Seneca Alani Marasco.  Your advice made it easier to realize that her name has always been Seneca and feeling good about that.  Your reader’s comments did give us pause about not wanting to offend people, but as we had a connection to Seneca Lake after a fair about of research on it’s Greek roots, wide spread use for naming and places in multiple states, the company, institutions as well as a name that was bestowed upon a tribe– we felt comfortable with it’s general use.  The most exciting find on your reader’s comments (besides some kind words about The Seneca Falls Convention) was bringing up the name Alani again for my consideration.  My husband brought it up before and I dismissed it– but seeing it in the comments made us add it to the list.  We thought it was a beautiful name that worked nicely with Seneca (as it was short and feminine) as well as matching her sister as it’s Hawaiian and an A name like Aiko.  Thank you very much to you and your readers.

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Baby Girl Krevitz-with-an-L, Sister to Molly

B. writes:

We are expecting our second child in November and have just learned it is another little girl. We are super excited about this — but now are tasked with finding a name that blends with her sister’s.

Our daughter, almost 3 now, is Molly — a name I have loved ever since I was young, and never thought I would get to use it for a daughter. I am so in love with the name, and it fits my daughter’s personality so much that I feel a lot of pressure to come up with something just as perfect for our baby girl on the way.

Molly’s middle name is Aneen (pronounced uh- neen). Aneen is my and my mother’s middle name. Our last name is similar to Krevitz, but with an L. I would like to honor family again with the middle name this time around. For our middle names, those choices are Rana (pronounced Renee, after my husband’s sister who was killed in a car accident about 11 years ago); Beth (after my mother); Marie (my mother-in-law’s middle name) or Maria (after my grandmother). Our top choice is Rana for the meaningfulness of using this.

For first names, we have it limited to two, the only two we have really felt drawn to — but I would love to hear other suggestions as well. We like names that are not overly popular or super trendy or sound like made up names. I also tend to like boy names for girls – and one consideration was to use Coty, another family name that would have significant meaning, as it would honor both my husband’s sister and her infant son who was also lost in the car accident.

Right now this is our list, ranked in order of appeal:
Madison (nickname Maddie — we love the combo of Molly and Maddie, two little sweet girls running around)
Reese

Others that we discarded were:
Morgan
Quinn
Paige
Shelby
Logan

Thank you for your help –

 

That DOES seem hard. I think that because you loved the name Molly for so long, it could be helpful to give up the idea of finding anything you love as much. There might just not BE such a name. And of course by now you’ve come to love the name Molly even more, since it’s your daughter’s name—it would be hard for any name to measure up to that. My guess is that you will COME to love another name as much after you use it, but that unless you had a second name you’ve loved since you were young, you might not love it quite as much during the choosing stage.

With a name like Molly, which is used exclusively for girls in the United States, I don’t think I’d go too boyish for a second girl. Reese is borderline; Coty crosses that line for me, if you mean you’re considering it as a first name. (It also seems like it could be a painful choice, considering the circumstances.) Coty might make a great middle name, though I think my first choice would still be Rana.

Because you’d like to avoid popular and trendy, I’d cross Madison off the list. (Molly and Madison also makes me think of Dolley Madison, as well as Dolly Madison, though neither of those are negative associations.)

If you’d like the nickname Maddie, you could get it from Madelyn/Madeline/Madeleine, though those names too have been very popular. There’s also Madigan: it’s similar to Morgan and Logan from your list; it has not been popular at all; it has a boyish sound; and it ties into Molly’s Celtic roots. Madigan Rana; Molly and Madigan; Molly and Maddie.

Another option is Megan. Megan Rana; Molly and Megan; Molly and Meg.

I find Molly and Reese a little bit of a surprising combination, style-wise. But I don’t think the combination is unpleasant, and both names have a similar energetic and friendly sound.

I like several other names on your discard list, too. Molly and Paige sounds adorable to me. Molly and Quinn sounds similar, though more unisex. Molly and Morgan seems close to achieving the Molly and Maddie effect.

Abigail is popular, but I think Molly and Abby gives you something like Molly and Maddie, while also matching the more old-fashioned/feminine image I have of the name Molly. Abigail Rana; Molly and Abigail; Molly and Abby. Or maybe you’d like Molly and Mabel, or Molly and Maisie, or Molly and Mindy, or Molly and Mandy?

Are you planning to have more children? If so, and if you went with a Molly/Maddie or Molly/Maisie type combination, would you feel like you had to find a third similar name? Perhaps something like Sadie would work well: it coordinates sweetly but without coordinating so well that a third name would stand out. Sadie Rana; Molly and Sadie.

Is your mother’s given name Beth, or is that short for Elizabeth? Elizabeth is a name with a lot of nickname possibilities that could be adorable with Molly. Molly and Libby, Molly and Betsy, Molly and Lizzy, Molly and Bess.

Molly seems to be a different style than the kinds of names you like now. What was it that got you hooked on the name Molly? Was there a Molly in a book or movie, or was it the name of someone you knew? I wonder if that would be a place to look for another name you like (nearly) as much.

 

 

Name update! B. writes:

Thank you to Swistle and all of her readers. We were so excited when our question was chosen for a blog, and the feedback and suggestions from both Swistle and readers truly gave us a lot to consider — issues we would have never thought of ourselves. We actually put Paige back on our list for awhile, after reading all the feedback. It was tough decision, and we went round and round on our names. Our little girl decided to arrive 5 weeks early…5 lbs. 14 oz, and I am happy to report that she is healthy and beautiful and has stolen our hearts — including her big sister Molly’s. In the end, we ended up back at the beginning with our very first instinct. Madison Rana was born Oct. 8, 2013 and we are so completely in love. Hearing our 3-year-old say “I love you Maddie” in her sweet little voice is just about the sweetest thing in the world. Thank you again for all your help!