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Baby Naming Issue: Changing Names at Adoption

Leah writes:

My husband and I are hoping you can help us with a naming decision that is causing us a lot of trepidation. I have been reading your posts for a while now, and have yet to come across another problem like it. It is the kind of problem adoptive parents of older children face, and I’m wondering if your readers wouldn’t have some helpful insight, as well.

We have been incredibly blessed to have guardianship of two beautiful, young children who are not biologically related to us. Recently, their biological parents’ rights were terminated, which opens the door for us to adopt them. We are thrilled.

The problem is that both children have names that we are not very fond of. We have already settled that the younger child, an infant, will be renamed at the time of adoption. Our conundrum lies with the older sibling, who is a twenty seven month old girl.

Because I would like to maintain her anonymity, I will refer to her as D’Ahnyttah Rose (pronounced Donetta Rose). This name mirrors her given name in many ways, and the issues with her name as we see them follow:

1. It is difficult to spell. I often have to spell it 3 or 4 times to people before they get it right.
2. The pronunciation of her name is not obvious. If her name is printed somewhere people always have to ask how it is pronounced, which gets tedious.
3. She was given her name by someone who, for all intents and purposes, abandoned her, so I feel like the name has a lot of baggage associated with it.
4. Her middle name is for a biological relative who is now incarcerated for a violent crime.

We really can’t see leaving her name as it is now. So these are our options, as we see them:

1. Change her first name so that it is phonetically correct (i.e. Donetta), keep her middle name and leave it at that.
2. Change her first name to something that is similar to her given name but more pleasing to us (Donna or maybe even Danielle), although we aren’t really in love with any of the obvious options.
3. Using a derivative nickname (like Nettie) may be an option, as there are a couple of nice choices, but we still don’t LOVE any of them.
4. Use her middle name, which we like quite a bit. We are, however, very concerned about the negative association.
5. Choose an entirely new name (i.e. Hazel Grace) as we have for her sibling.

Of course there are lots of other things to consider, the least of which being is it even OK to rename a two year old? I know we can, but I am concerned that it may further confuse our daughter, or at least take some serious getting used to on her part. Everything else aside, the ultimate goal is to come to a decision that causes the least amount of stress to her in the long run.

 

It’s difficult: I can offer an opinion, but I don’t feel I have enough personal experience with it to be confident in that opinion. If a group of people who had had their names changed at adoption told me that it was a terrible mistake, I’d change my opinion on the subject immediately. And of course the particulars of the individual situation factor into it hugely.

But after that lead-in, I will say that it seems okay to me as long as the child is quite young. SPIN seems important: a name-change could seem like it’s a way to erase or hide the old self or the old family (and in fact adults do sometimes change their names for those very reasons)—or it can be seen as a mark of bonding/transition/welcoming into a new family (as when any new baby is named, or as when a person takes a new surname at marriage, or as when a person takes a new name as part of a religious or cultural transition).

Age two still seems okay to me (my nephew is two, and I can picture his parents changing his name without traumatizing him), though I’d try to make the transition easier by not switching all at once. Depending on the personality and age of the child, I might come up with a story: something along the lines of “Now that you are in our family forever, you will have your special new name!”—or books on adoption may have other tried-and-true suggestions. With a two-year-old, I might save the stories for later questions and instead just start calling the child by both names for awhile: D’Ahnyttah-Hazel for awhile, then maybe Hazel-D’Ahnyttah, then sometimes dropping the D’Ahnyttah and sometimes still including it, then eventually dropping the D’Ahnyttah entirely around the time she starts referring to herself by the new name and/or responding to it consistently and without wrinkled brows.

Let’s talk for a minute about the middle name. If it honors a relative currently incarcerated for a violent crime, that in itself doesn’t put me off. Circumstances matter tremendously: the type of crime, the situation surrounding it, the type of person the relative is. And of course that’s getting well outside the scope of what would be appropriate to discuss on the blog. I will give a couple of examples, though, to demonstrate the kind of thing I mean. In one situation, let’s say the relative in question had been badly and hurtfully wronged by a spouse and had attacked that spouse in a one-time, out-of-character fit of passion, but that this person was otherwise a wonderful and loving person with strong family connections, someone likely to be involved in your child’s life in the years to come. Well, then, their name is still good, and I wouldn’t even mind moving it to the first name position. Let’s say instead that the relative in question is a manipulative mooching person with a long history of betrayals and bad deeds that finally culminated in a robbery that went wrong and ended with a terrible injury to an innocent person, and yet this relative is still acting self-pitying about the whole thing and trying to mooch money out of relatives. Well, then, I’m inclined to ditch the name. The line is probably here: can you tell this relative’s story in a way that doesn’t make the child embarrassed to have the name? That is, can this be, “Yes, Rose was the name of your aunt when you were born”? Or must the violent crime come into it, and is the violent crime an upsetting one that would make the child feel tainted by association?

I like your idea of searching for a name that has some connection to the original name. That is, if the child’s name really were D’Ahnyttah Rose, changing it to something like Etta Rose seems like a very nice compromise. I think I’d abandon the goal of being in love with the name in this case, since so many other goals need to take precedence. I think if I were you, my goal would be to find a name that solved the main issues while also being a big leap up the spectrum of my own taste in names.

I think I’m drawn most to any solution that feels like a compromise. For example, if I picture you instead focusing on finding a first name you’re in love with, then I like the idea of keeping D’Ahnyttah as the middle name. Names can be so tied in with identity that even though she’s only two I wonder if later on she might prefer to still own some of her original name. With other questions that involved adoptions, I notice I pretty much always come down on the side of keeping the original name (ideally with original spelling) in the name SOMEWHERE: even though there is baggage associated with the child’s origins, the child might feel those origins are still his or her property, and/or that those origins don’t reflect badly on the name or on herself/himself.

If you like the middle name, one option is to switch the middle and first. Rose D’Ahnyttah.

One factor to consider here is that her sibling will be completely renamed. I’m not sure what effect that will have later on: right now, of course, the infant doesn’t care at all; when the girls are older and hearing their stories and asking questions, it might factor in. If you change one sister’s name completely but only partly change the other’s, probably it’s plenty of explanation to say, “Because Hazel was older and knew her name, but Olive was only a baby and didn’t know her name yet.”

Or one possibility to consider is to make the same decision for both girls’ names: former first names in the middle name position, with new first names for both, for example; or D’Ahnyttah Rose and Neveah Grace become Etta Rose and Norah Grace, or Rose D’Ahnyttah and Grace Neveah. Again, I would rank LOVE of the name rather low here, and aim mostly for the relief of a name I liked Significantly Better. Or perhaps both girls could be given entirely new full names, with the love of the name ranking high: they are the daughters you love, and you are giving them names you love.

I really don’t know what would be best. It’s so hard to know what the girls themselves will think of things later: this whole thing could be a big shrug to them, or it could be of huge symbolic importance to them (with any of the choices leaving plenty of room for either positive or negative symbolism, so that your choice can be spun as The Wrong One no matter WHAT you chose to do), and we can’t know that ahead of time. And it’s not as if The Right Way To Do Adoption is carved in stone for us anywhere: situations are different, and the current feelings about What Is Best change all the time and never do fit everyone anyway, and different people see different actions as symbolizing different things. None of us has an answer that is right for all people in all situations.

I notice my opinion shifts around quite a bit when I imagine “what generally seems right” versus “how I might feel if it were me.” When I’m thinking generally about what seems important, I feel like it’s a good idea to keep their original names in their names somewhere. But if I picture it being actually me making the decision about actual children I love, it suddenly gets more challenging: my actual inclination is to make those babies MINE by naming them. Or wait, what if I imagine a good future relationship with the children’s starting family? Then I like the idea of tying our families together: a name from them, a name from us. Or what if the original names are special to me because those were the names the children had when I grew to love them? I might want that part of our history together represented. Or what if I imagine adopting my nephew and niece? Then I want them to keep their own names, because those names are THEIRS and part of who they ARE. It’s confusing.

I think this all goes back to spin. I think that ANY decision you make about the names can be made with love and loving intentions and loving symbolism, and that the important thing is to communicate that love and those intentions and that symbolism when you tell the girls their naming stories.

Baby Naming Issue: Hope’s Daughter Grace

Hope writes:

I’m about 3 1/2 weeks for my due date and we’ve pretty much nailed down a name, but I’m still apprehensive.

The name is Grace Louise. I love it, I do. In my head I think of her as Gracie. I have stopped looking for other names. But I am still worried that every time I introduce myself and her I’ll feel a tinge of (for lack of a better word) embarrassment. “Hi, I’m Hope and this is my daughter Grace.” I’ll be waiting for people to comment or assume they think it’s silly.

So, can you tell me if I’m being ridiculous? Or do you and the readers think it IS silly? Will I make us the butt of jokes? Will my teenage daughter roll her eyes that I named her something so similar to my own name? Help!

 

My guess is that people will definitely notice, and may very well comment on it—but that it is the sort of thing people in general LIKE. That is, my guess is that the feedback will be positive and sparkley-eyed with enjoyment, not negative and eye-rolly with scorn. The situation where you’re introducing yourselves at the same time (and only the two of you, with no other name to put between you) won’t come up very often, and on the occasions it does, you can minimize the effect by separating the introductions a bit: “Hi, I’m Hope Anderson! *shaking hands* Nice to meet you too! And this is Grace.”

If you DO get any feedback that seems negative (from your future teenaged daughter or from anyone else), you can shrug and say, “I know, and that almost made us not choose it—but Grace was just our hands-down favorite name.”

 

 

Name update! Hope writes:

Thank you so much for posting my question. I had not considered the name as a (sweet) link between myself and my daughter, and that was all I needed to hear to convince myself we were making the right choice. I so appreciate yours and the readers unbiased opinions. Grace Louise arrived October 21st (9 days late), and so far no one has commented to me on the virtue name connection.

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Baby Names to Discuss: Keegan and Teagan

B. writes:

I recently met a baby boy named Teagan (which I had always put firmly in the “girl name” column in my head), and a twentysomething woman named Keegan (which I had always put firmly in the “boy name” column).

There are, of course, names like Ashley, Quinn, Skylar, Jordan that start as “boy names” and then become unisex, and some even become more common as girl names.

Do you think Teagan is that rare name that starts girl and goes boy?

What are your thoughts on Keegan as a girl name (just generically, not in the “it’s an honor name because it’s my grandmother’s maiden name” or whatever scenario?)

 

I’m the same as you: Teagan is familiar to me as a name used for girls, and Keegan is familiar to me as a name used for boys. But my sample size is very small: I only know one Keegan (male) and two Teagans (both female). (Plus a male cat named Keegan, but I’m including only humans in this sample.) And until I met the two female Teagans, I wouldn’t have known how to take that name: I specifically remember hearing it for the first time and not knowing whether the child would be a girl or a boy.

Isn’t it interesting how similar the two names are? And if I were hearing them for the first time and knew one was used more often for girls and the other used more often for boys, I’d probably guess them wrong: I’d guess the K was more likely to indicate the name used for girls. So in short, this is an excellent illustration about how it’s CURRENT USAGE that dictates whether a name feels like “a boy name” or “a girl name” to us. And in the United States, the -gan ending is not gender specific: Megan, Reagan, Finnegan, Logan, Morgan, Brogan, etc.

As you mentioned, most names switching from one usage to the other are headed in the boy-to-girl direction and not the other way around. Let’s see what Teagan and Keegan have been doing, checking in with them every five years. Because this is going to involve a lot of number-hunting through a lot of years, I’m not going to try to incorporate every spelling, but these seem to be the main three for each (I’m showing my work, to make it easier for anyone to check if something seems off):

KeaganTeagan

(left to right for each sex: Kegan, Keegan, Keagan, Tegan, Teegan, Teagan)

This shows us an interesting picture of how we as a society incorporate a name or name-sound that’s new to us. I mentioned this briefly the other day when we were talking about Milborough: that when a name is unused, we can do what we want with it—but it’s hard to know what it’ll do if it comes into use later on. An individual person can say that a name is “definitely girl, to me” or “definitely boy, to me”—but what ends up mattering is what the culture as a whole thinks of it over time.

And that’s what we’re seeing on this chart: two new names came onto the scene, and this is the story of how the United States incorporated them. Teagan and Keagan were all but unused in the United States before the 1970s. Morgan and Logan had been names used almost exclusively for boys—but the name Megan had just appeared on the scene for girls a decade or so earlier and was getting very popular. With Megan’s increasing popularity came a rise in the name Morgan being used for girls as well as for boys. Meanwhile, Irish and Irish-like names were hot stuff, so people were looking for new good ones.

That’s when Keegan showed up. Maybe the first parents who used it had a male ancestor named Keegan, or knew it was a name used for boys in Ireland, and that’s why they used it for boys. Maybe it sounded boyish to them because of other names of the time. Whatever the reasons, Keegan showed up for boys in the 1960s, but not for girls until the 1980s. Meanwhile, Teagan appears in the 1970s, but only for girls. It doesn’t show up for boys until the 1980s. (Keeping in mind that my dates are rough/approximate here because of only checking in every 5 years.)

You can see people trying to figure out how we’re going to spell these names. There’s some dabbling with the spelling Tegan at first, maybe because it looks like Megan. By 2012, though, Teagan is by far the most common spelling for both girls and boys. Keegan comes on the scene as the first spelling of that name, and persists as the most common spelling even after being joined by Kegan and Keagan.

Looking just at Tegan/Teegan/Teagan now, I don’t see a name that started as a name for girls and is heading toward being a name for boys. I see something that looks more like a name that started with girls, then veered toward unisex as the similar name Keegan became popular for boys—but now the boys might be backing away from Teagan as it gets more widely used overall and as parents encounter more female Teagans out and about. Or maybe everyone is backing away from both names as they finish their run of being in style: of the twelve categories of spelling/sex, all of them went down between 2010 and 2012 except a slight increase of Teegan (95 to 99) and Keegan (1424 to 1462) used for boys.

But 11 of the 12 categories went UP (in some cases by quite a bit) between the 2005 numbers and the 2010 numbers: Teagan/Tegan/Teegan more than DOUBLED for girls during that time. Meanwhile, the name Teague is still going up for boys. I feel like we need another five years or so before we’ll be able to see what’s going on. What does everyone else see happening, when you look at the chart?

We can also try looking at the rankings, instead of at the plain numbers. Picking the most common spellings of each name, we see that Keegan is the 244th most popular name for boys in 2012, but not even in the Top 1000 for girls; meanwhile, Teagan is the 258th most popular name for girls in 2012, and the 755th most popular name for boys. It’s interesting to me how close the ranking of Keegan for boys is to the ranking of Teagan for girls. The rankings of Keegan for girls and Teagan for boys show us that Teagan is somewhat more familiar/used as a boy name than Keegan is as a girl name—which we could also see from the plain numbers.

You also asked what I thought of Keegan for a girl, as a name chosen for itself and not as a namesake. I don’t see any reason it couldn’t work, especially after spending so much time looking at Teagan and Keegan together. It seems like a cute, high-energy name in the tradition of Megan and Keely and Reagan and Breeanna—but with the additional factor of being a name currently used more often for boys, which would be either a plus or a minus depending on the particular family. The package deal would include the same elements as choosing any name more often used for the other sex: the periodic explaining/clarifying/correcting, the additional considerations when choosing sibling names.

Baby Name to Consider: Milborough; Also, a List of Considerations for Considering a Name

Anna writes:

Not expecting yet, but I am constantly looking for that elusive “sweet spot” name. Our surname is a very common, two syllable, ending in -son. My most recent obsession is the name Milborough for a girl. Though I adore her in her full form, obviously it naturally lends itself to Millie as a nickname should one be desired.

As for middles I am found the below:

Milborough Jane
Milborough Maud
Milborough Frances (Family name)

However, I have two reservations about realistically using in the future. First, does it sound too masculine? And secondly, is the borough ending make for an unflattering place name, as in towns/suburbs? Should she have a brother, only planning to two at the most, I do adore the name Maguire. Though we are not Irish (cause for concern?) I thought it was a nice pairing nonetheless.

All suggestions/additions are welcome! Thank you all!!!!

 

I have a mental checklist I go through when considering if I think a word I’m not familiar with as a name would make a good name. It’s not a formal, written-down checklist, but I’ll see if I can create it here:

1. Is it a NICE SOUND? I generally re-write it with several different spellings to make sure I’m really thinking of it as sounds rather than as a word. I say it aloud repeatedly, so that the novelty of it wears off a bit and I can hear it as if I were already familiar with it.

2. Does it have name-like qualities? That is, are the sounds of the word similar to the sounds present in names, and/or are there other ways to understand it in the context of existing names (for example, Dandelion can be associated with Daisy and Violet; Berlin is a place like Brittany and Georgia). Is there a nickname that’s already a familiar, established name? Is there a quick explanation for people unfamiliar with the name, something I can imagine saying many, many times (“It’s the town where I grew up,” “It’s a family surname,” “It’s like ____ but with an N”)?

3. Is this a name I would want for myself? Can I picture introducing myself with this name? This one needs additional adjustment for generational differences: that is, it’s hard to picture introducing myself as Cadence, too, just because that name wasn’t around when I was born.

4. Now I see if I can picture introducing my child and using the name in daily life. I test it out: “Mom and dad, the baby is here! We’ve named her _______!” “Hello, I’m calling to make an appointment for _______’s 5-year physical.” “_____, time for dinner!” “______, did you finish your homework?” “______, I told you to clean up your room!” “________, stop hitting your brother!”

5. How do I think I would react to this name if I encountered it on a child? on a class list? on a resume? on a doctor, a politician, a teacher? on a store clerk’s name tag?

6. Does this name seem like it would work on a variety of person types? That is, can I picture it on someone plump, someone plain, someone beautiful, someone studious and serious, someone outgoing and athletic, someone shy and sweet?

7. Is it possible to think of sibling names for this name? (Applicable only for parents who prefer sibling names to go together.) Sometimes we can fall in love with a name that is a great name and yet not a good fit for our family. (That’s the kind of name I LOVE for a middle name.)

 

That might not be all of them, but those are the ones that came to mind.

So for Milborough, let’s start with the sound. I’d re-spell it a bit, to try to disconnect the look of the word with the sound of it: Mill-burrow. Mill-burro. Mil-ber-o. Etc. The “mil” segment sounds nice to me, and the -o ending is on-trend. The “ber” sound is the only one not currently nice to my ear. I also notice burrow, burro, and burough, none of which are particularly pleasing—though not particularly displeasing, either.

Now to evaluate the name-like qualities. “Mil” is familiar from Milly, Millicent, Milton, etc. “Burr/ber” is familiar from Wilbur, Kimberly, Amber, Bernice, etc. The -o ending is familiar from Leo, Hugo, Milo, Cleo, Pedro, etc. And as you’ve mentioned, Milly/Millie is a familiar nickname. We’re also familiar already in our society with place names.

The question about whether we’d want this name for ourselves is going to be largely temperament-based—and of course we don’t know what the child’s temperament will be. Still, I’ve found this exercise helpful for making me think realistically about a name. If I picture myself standing around at preschool pick-up, meeting other parents and saying, “Hi, I’m Milborough,” that gives me a very different feeling about the name than if I’m looking at it on a baby name list. Again, this effect has to be adjusted for the generational difference—but I still find it a useful way to play around with a name.

From here I remove the generation-gap issue and picture instead being at preschool drop-off, introducing both of us. “Hi! I’m Kristen, and this is Milborough.” Then on to other scenarios at a variety of ages. “Milborough, did you finish your homework?” “Milborough, you missed your curfew again, so you’re grounded for two weeks.” “Milborough, time for dinner!” “I’m calling for an appointment for Milborough’s 8-year physical.” “Milborough, can you run to the store and get milk?”

Next I picture it encountering it on someone else. A parent at preschool pick-up says to me, “Hi, I’m Milborough!” or “Hi, I’m Jen, and this is Millborough!” My child’s teacher’s name is Milborough Anderson. A candidate’s political signs say Vote for Milborough Mason. The clerk at Target has a name tag that says Milborough. I’m helping my child with their class valentines, and Milborough is on the list. I’m in the store and I hear a parent say, “Milborough!! Stop that RIGHT NOW!!” And so on.

I move on to the visual. It helps to do this while I’m out on errands: I look at a variety of children and adults and picture the name Milborough on each of them. Does it work better on some than others? I also visualize various stereotypes in my head: the plump plain girl with bad hair, the cheerleader, the girl who hates anything stereotypically girly, the smart girl, the dramatic girl, the shy and sensitive girl who hates drama, and so on. Does it work better on some than others?

And finally, sibling names. You’ve got Maguire for a boy, and I agree that goes well with Milborough. Are there girl names on your list that would be compatible with Milborough? Would you want to use Maguire with the nickname Maggie? Milborough and Maguire; Millie and Maggie.

 

As to whether Milborough sounds masculine or feminine, it hits my own ear as unisex. The Milly/Millie nickname gives it a more feminine tilt, but Milton doesn’t seem feminine; the -o ending is more typically used for boys’ names, but Cleo doesn’t seem masculine. The three name sounds (mil, ber, and o) are all used in names for both boys and girls.

Current usage is what makes us feel a name is “a boy name” or “a girl name”; with an unused name such as Milborough, it’s harder to say for sure how the name will be perceived—and it may go in a different direction if it comes into style and others start using it too (Mackenzie is a good example of this). The name Aspen could have gone either way, but currently it’s girls 601 to 57. There’s nothing about London that makes it “for girls,” but it’s currently used for girls 3179 to 482. Cody could just as easily be a girl name, but right now it’s boys 1988 to 22. Paris is used more often for girls, Dallas more often for boys. Miller is probably the closest name to Milborough; in 2012 it was given to 47 girls and 178 boys. And yet Miller does sound more masculine to me, while Milborough continues to sound unisex.

With a very distinctive and unusual first name, my own preference is to go with a familiar and unambiguous middle name. However, I also think it’s a good idea to choose a middle name you like very much, in case the child decides to go by it. My own favorite of your first/middle combinations is Milborough Jane: I like the rhythm of it, I like the familiarity of it, and I love the name Jane anyway.

Let’s have a poll to see what everyone else thinks of Milborough as a name candidate:

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Baby Boy or Girl Van Weer-in-jen

Amanda writes:

I am 13 weeks pregnant! I have been reading your site forever and I am obsessed with baby names. OBSESSED!

First the basics. I’m Amanda and my husband is Lucas, goes by Luke. Our last name is longgggg and Dutch.. Sounds like Van Weer-in-jen or Van Weer-gen depending on which family member you talk to. We usually say Van Weer-in-jen…. nothing really goes with it, so it’s not a huge concern. We have a great variety of names we could use from both sides of our family for middle and first.

We decided years ago that a boy would be Arie after DHs grandfather. His name was Arie but when he came to Canada, he changed it to Harry. We just love Arie and love that its unique and a family name. He was also an amazing man that is missed. I know Ari is the more common spelling, but that isn’t the Dutch way and isn’t how his grandfathers name was spelled, so we want to do Arie. I’m a touch worried that it’s too feminine, and if it was totally up to me, I’d probably use the name Arlo with the nick name Arie, or name a girl Aria. BUT DH is set on Arie and I do really love it too!

Boy middle name options:
John (after my dad, two of our best friends, my grandpa, my brothers middle, husbands uncle.. lots of family significance!)
Andrew (my brothers name)
Taylor (my maiden name)
Bayne (my grans middle name, which was her moms maiden name… we kind of want this for a second boy one day!)

Girl contenders are as follows for a first name:
Ruby (DHs Grandmothers middle name) I like it, but a bit too popular.. do you think it will keep climbing?
Theo (my grandmothers first name) I absolutely LOVE this name but worry because it’s becoming more and more popular as a boys name and short form for Theodore. My grandmas full name is Theophila, but I don’t think I could give a child that big name with our last name that ALWAYS requires being spelled out and is so long. When I hear the name Theo, I always picture female, but I don’t think most do. What do you think?
Rowan – just a name we found that we like. I am worried about masculine sounding girl names paired with Arie. Someone once told me that if I had an Arie and a Theo they would assume that Theo was the boy and Arie was the girl.

Girl middle name options:
Anne (my moms name)
Jane (my middle, my grandmas middle, my aunts first)
Brooke (my sisters name.. leaning towards this!)
Taylor (my maiden name)

Now the questions:

If we know for sure if we ever have a boy he will be Arie, should we give family names to all other kids? Or is it okay for just one to have a family name?

What do you think of these names? ANY girl suggestions? Are there any Dutch names that would work well?

 

I’d probably use the Arie spelling, too. I would be prepared for it to routinely require clarification—just as someone would have to do for a name like Cameron or Jordan.

I would not, however, then use Theo for a girl. I think of Theo the way I think of Jacob or Sebastian: it isn’t that I’d guess the child was more likely a boy, but instead that I’d assume it without giving it any thought. Current usage in the United States supports that impression; here are the 2012 numbers from the Social Security Administration’s database:

Theo, F: –
Theo, M: 282
Theodora, F: 67
Theodora, M: –
Theodore, F: –
Theodore, M: 1,912

Which of course is not to say it couldn’t still be used for a girl (26 new baby girls were named Jacob in 2012, and 13 new baby girls were named Sebastian), but I wouldn’t do it if I had another child with a unisex name such as Arie.

I think of Thea as the female equivalent of Theo. I also saw Theona (given to just 5 new baby girls in 2012) in the SSA database; that seems like an interesting possibility.

And I do think you could name her Theophila and call her Theo: if I see Arie and Theophila together, I lose the girl/boy feeling I get if I see Arie and Theo. I like too how that would parallel your decision about Arie: in both cases you’d be using the name because it was the honoree’s actual name, without changing it for convenience.

Another option would be to use Arie for a girl, and Theo for a boy.

Another option would be to use Arie as the middle name.

I generally prefer to pair ambiguous first names with unambiguous middle names, so my favorites from your middle-name list would be Arie John and Arie Andrew.

Ruby seems to be leveling off, popularity-wise:

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

(screenshot from SSA.gov)

My main issue with it is that I’d prefer not to repeat the ending of Arie.

Rowan is an interesting candidate, since it’s a second unisex name. Here are the 2012 numbers:

Rowan, F: 678
Rowan, M: 1,138
Rowen, F: 97
Rowen, M: 234

We can compare those to the 2012 numbers for Arie:

Ari, F: 176
Ari, M: 631
Arie, F: 80
Arie, M: 66

Rowan and Rowen are both used more often for boys than for girls, but not at a level that lets us forget it’s unisex. Ari/Arie is more interesting, because Ari is used quite a bit more often for boys, while Arie is used slightly more often for girls; that name, too, is unisex in the U.S.

Of the girl name options, I don’t have a clear front-runner. I think I would keep looking. Would you want to consider Taylor for a first name? It’s unisex-used-more-for-girls right now:

Taylor, F: 4,825
Taylor, M: 878

I think my favorite Dutch female name is Willemina. It’s a lot with your surname, however.

Nameberry has a Dutch girl name list (I love that it has a “show all” button; it drives me nuts when a site makes me click through a dozen pages with five names per page). Lots of good possibilities, nice and simple with a longer surname: Britt, Fay, Gwen, Isa, Jade, Lara, Tess. However, none of those shout out “DUTCH!” to me: they’re names that are popular in The Netherlands right now, but not necessarily what would sound Netherlandy to us in the United States.

The Baby Name Bible has lists of Irish names, Italian names, Ancient Roman names, Russian names, French names, African names, Spanish names, and Armenian names—but no Dutch names. The Best Baby Names in the World from Around the World has no Dutch name section, either. The Baby Name Wizard has a section of Dutch names, but unfortunately combined with German names—and I’m not good at separating them out except by looking them up one by one in The Baby Name Bible (which mentions nationality). I particularly like Elsa with your surname and with Arie, but it’s German rather than Dutch. That reminds me, though, that I saw Ilsa on the Nameberry list—I accidentally skipped right over it thinking it was Isla. Ilsa Van Weer-in-jen; Arie and Ilsa. I like that very much. Perhaps you can find more lists of Dutch baby names, and see if any appeal to you.

I do think it’s absolutely fine to have only one child with a family name. It’s pleasing when it works out that all the kids have good honor names, but it reminds me of choosing groomsmen/bridesmaids: it’s pleasingly symmetrical if there happen to be the same number of each, but it’s better to give the honor to the people you really want to honor, rather than forcing it just so things match. Use honor names as long as you still have people you want to honor whose names you want to use. Plenty of people have only one honor name they want to use; it’s especially common if the honor name is for a first-born son, because that’s a familiar tradition in the United States.

 

 

Name update! Amanda writes:

Update!! He is here and is named Arie Bayne Van Weer-in-jen. We went back and forth on the middle name.. I was leaning toward Andrew with my second favourite being Bayne. My husband was leaning towards Bayne with his second favourite as John. So Bayne it was!

We’ve had some pronunciation issues with Arie, some people think it’s pronounced like “Air-eee” upon reading it, and some people have assumed he is a girl when I say his name. Both of these issues are ones we thought would happy, so we are okay with it. We are happy with his name and glad we used it and honoured both sides of the family! Picture attached of Arie who is now 7 weeks old.

PS: Funny to note: the week before Arie was born I had two co-workers get granddaughters who were named Aria and Arianna… and my dad just had one of his employees name a daughter Aria. Seem like the “Ari…” trend is picking up.

Thanks for your help,
Amanda

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Baby Boy Thornbush-with-a-D: August (Gus) or Osborn (Ozzy)

Ashley writes:

My name is Ashley and my husband goes by Tony, although his formal name is Mark Anthony. Our last name sounds like Thornbush but starts with a D (and is spelled with the German –sch ending).

After two failed pregnancies, we are having our first baby, a boy, due January 8th, and I’d love to hear an outside perspective on our choices. Our son’s first name will be Mark, in honor of my husband’s father who passed away six months ago. Like my husband, though, he will not go by his first name. He will be definitely be known (by us, at least – he can switch it up later in life, if he chooses) by his middle name. We’ve narrowed down the final two:

1) August – probably call him Gus as a pet name around the house, but definitely introduce him as August.

2) Osborn – this is my grandfather’s last name (my mom’s maiden), and he passed away about two months ago. We’d introduce him as Oz/Ozzy if we went with this name.

My husband really likes Osborn, and while I’m warming to it more and more, I’m not sure I can completely commit. Is Oz too off-beat? I’d consider myself a pretty quirky person but I don’t want to saddle my children with names that are a little too far off the beaten path. On the other hand, August doesn’t necessarily knock me out.

Other names we seriously considered:

Arlo (gets a little mushed together when you say it with the first name, though we realize you wouldn’t say the two together very often)

Owen (the most common name on our list, though we’d likely use the nickname Mo as a play off the two names)

Other names that we considered but didn’t get as far:

West
Sullivan
Adler
Theodore
Montgomery
Alton

As for other details, we plan on having at least one more child (two if we’re lucky!), and we definitely hadn’t come very close to deciding on a girl’s name.

Thanks for your help!!

 

I prefer, in general, to stick to a “one quirk per name” limit, or actually I guess it’s more like two. That is, if a child is going to go by his or her middle name exclusively, that’s one quirk. Or if a child is going to have a very unusual name with a strong association, that’s one quirk. Going by (1) the nickname of (2) a very unusual and strongly-associated (3) middle name, in a situation where the nickname adds even more to the association, seems like a lot of quirks for one name. It’s not that you can’t do it, and plenty of people do it all the time; it’s only that if you’re asking me, and you are, it exceeds my own personal limit for what I would personally want to cope with if it were my own name. But it helps in this case that we’re all already familiar with the concept of a son having to use his middle name because his first name is already being used by another family member.

A character in Buffy the Vampire Slayer first drew my attention to the appeal of the name Oz. It’s an extremely adventurous choice, strongly associated with The Wizard of Oz, but I think it could work. It helped that the character Oz was cool and cute and confident—but on the other hand, that makes me fret a bit about how well the name would work on a child who turned out less cool/confident. Still, as you’ve mentioned, he could use Mark instead.

Using Oz/Ozzy WITH OSBORN, however, brings the singer Ozzy Osbourne so vividly and immediately to mind, it’s startling. If we had more associations, it would help tremendously—but right now Ozzy Osbourne is still dominating it. And his image is so dark: the various addictions, biting the heads off doves and bats, accusations of satanism, the band name Black Sabbath.

“It’s a family name” can save many an unusual choice, however, and Ozzy Osbourne’s surprising harmlessness/affability on his recent reality show may help as well. Plus, he won’t really be “Ozzy-short-for-Osborn,” he’ll just be Ozzy or Oz; it would in fact be LESS of an association than if his first name were Osborn.

I think if it were me, though, I’d come down on the side of saving Osborn to be the middle name of a child who would go by his first name. When I think of it tucked away there, it gives me a cool/fun feeling instead of the worry that it’s too darkly cool a name for the average manager, bank teller, or teacher.

August seems like a great choice. But with so much time left, are you sure these are your two finalists? You say August doesn’t knock you out, and you’re only just “warming to” Osborn. It sounds too soon to be calling those the final two.

If you like the sound of Ozzy, Crosby might be a nice option.

Or Desmond, with the nickname Desi/Dezzie.

Or Ezra.

Or Ezekiel, with the nickname Zeke.

Or Isaac, with the nickname Ike.

If you like Mo, I wonder if you’d like Moses? Moses has a less dark and more diluted set of associations (Moses from the Bible, Grandma Moses, Moses Lake, Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin’s son, etc.). Mark Moses Thornbush, called Mo. It’s no more quirky than Mark Osborn called Oz—and less so because the associations are more positive/diluted, and because Mark and Mo both start with M.

Or you could do your M.O. idea, but with a name other than Owen. Mark Oakley. Mark Oberon. Mark Odin. Mark Orion. Mark Oscar. Mark Otto. Or of course Mark Osborn, but calling him Mo instead of Ozzy.

If you’d like to honor your grandfather, is his first name useable? or his middle name? I do like the idea of using a name from your side of the family, since the child’s first name (and also his surname?) will be from his father’s side.

Have you committed to the idea of using Mark as the first name, even though you don’t want to use the name in a daily way? Perhaps Mark could be the middle name, freeing you to consider more options for the first name. I love Arlo Mark Thornbush-with-a-D, and Arlo seems like a great choice for “quirky but not too far off the beaten path.”

Owen and Arlo make me think of:

Eamon
Hugo
Leo
Milo
Nolan
Otto
Rohan
Ronan
Roland
Tobias

 

 

Name update! Ashley writes:

I’m so excited to announce that on Tuesday, January 7th, our baby boy, Mark Osborn Dornbusch, made his entrance into the world!  Ozzie (notice we changed the spelling to the -ie ending) is definitely a handful, but we obviously love him to pieces. :-)

I want to thank everyone for their valuable feedback.  As it turns out, the pull of the double honor name was just too much to resist.  I know there was some concern that giving him a first name he wouldn’t use would be a pain, but that was always a non-negotiable in our book.  My husband has been dealing with that his whole life and has no complaints; it’s simply a tradition we already knew that we would continue.  There was also some concern about the Ozzy Osbourne connection, but after some discussion, that felt like a generational association that would fade with time.  Overall, we’ve had really great reactions from people who hear his name, much like the majority of the commenters.  Oz for the win!

Attached is a picture of our little meatball. :-)

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Baby Boy or Girl Davis, Sibling to Abigail (Abbie) and William (Park)

Cassie writes:

Hello. My name is Cassie. I’m pregnant with my 3rd child. My husband, Will, and I have Abigail Kelley Davis, 11 and William Parker Davis, Jr. ‘Park’, who is 9. Baby 3 was a surprise.
Both of our other children have full family names. My daughter was named after a great aunt and my grandmothers maiden name, both on my fathers side. Obviously my son is a Jr and my husband was named after his grandfather on his moms side. So now here we are trying to come up with names. Family names. With families with a lot of input. And my mother really wants us to use a name from her side, since we have not. We are not finding out what we are having so we will need to have both names prepared. What I need help with is the girls name. If a boy, we will incorporate the name Harrison, although probably not call him that. That was my maternal grandmothers maiden name. Other boy names we are toying with are Holmes, Bateman (Bates), and Lawson, all from my husbands fathers side and Bonner from my husbands mothers side.
But the girl names in my family are horrendous for the most part. Of course we have plenty of ancestors named Mary, Elizabeth, Susanna, Sarah and the like. But I don’t want something so common. When we named Abigail, we didn’t know anyone named that. Now there are so many ‘Abbie’s’. Of course we could go with my grandmothers names, Thera or Jimmie Lee, but I think not! So for a list of somewhat decent eligible female names, here goes:
Reese (middle name- husbands great grandfather)
Hallie (husbands great aunt)
McConnell ‘Connell’- ( husbands grandmothers maiden name)
Margaret (husbands great great aunt)- could shorten to Maggie, which is my maternal grandmothers sisters name.
Anna Walden (my great great grandmother – on my moms side)
Estella (my maternal great grandmother)- husband hates this.
Mary Lizzie- my maternal grandmothers sister.
Everything I come up with either my husband or my mother hates!
My mom loves AnnaKay – her great grandmother Anna with her middle name Kay. He loves Holmes for a boy, she hates it. I know its our child, but as an only child, I would like to use something from her family. Could Harrison be used in a girls name? Please please help me!
So frustrated!

 

It is outrageous for anyone to insist on being honored by a baby’s name. And in this case, your mother is confused: the two sides of the baby’s family are Yours and Your Husband’s, not Hers and Her Husband’s. One child has been named for Your Side, and one child has been named for Your Husband’s Side; you have covered your family bases.

I agree that it is nice if it works out as fairly as possible. That is, it WOULD be nice to find a name from your husband’s father’s side and/or from your mother’s side, if you’d like to use another honor name. But I find my heart hardens against choosing any name that would result in the honored party feeling it’s only what’s owed to her, rather than reeling back from sentimental shock and surprise.

Speaking of reeling back, the part about which names your mother loves or hates is making me breathe fast. It sounds exactly as if there are three people making this decision: you, your husband, and your mother. I will pause while you write the rest of this paragraph yourself. …No, I want to write it. This is a decision that you and your husband are making. It is very kind and considerate of you both to take your mother’s preferences into account, but right now it sounds as if she’s an equal partner. I think the time has come for something like, “Thanks for all your input, mom; you’ve given Will and me a lot to think about! At this point we’re going to keep the final choice a secret until the baby is here!”

Here’s how I was going to wrap up that paragraph: “And then, frankly, I think I wouldn’t end up using a name from your mother’s family, because it sounds like it’s not going to work out: not only does she want the names to be from her family, she ALSO wants those names to be the ones she likes.” But then I got to this from your letter: “I know its our child, but as an only child, I would like to use something from her family.” All right, fine: if it’s what you want, we can work with that. But remember I’m on your side if you decide it’s impossible. And I definitely don’t think you need to do both the first and middle names from your mom’s family.

The strategy I suggest is this: First use the thanks-now-back-off quote above, or whatever version of it is the way you’d actually talk to your mom (including the “no words, just action” version where you stop talking about names with her but without remarking on it). Second, choose the name YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND like best from your mom’s family, without taking her preferences into consideration, unless they involve negative feelings about the family members themselves. Then use that name as either the first or middle name, wherever it works better.

Another strategy is to lay it out before her. “Here’s the problem, Mom. We’d really like to use a name from your side of the family. But you hate the only names we’re willing to use. This means the choices are: (1) Use a name from your side of the family, but a name you don’t like; or (2) Not use a name from your side of the family.” It does sound as if she needs it clarified for her that there is no (3) Use a name from your side of the family that you love and we hate.

If you want to cover your husband’s father’s side and your mother’s side all at once, that might make it easier too: you could use the name from your mother’s side as the middle name. Kay seems perfect to me: it’s a great middle name anyway.

Hallie Kay Davis; Abbie, Park, and Hallie
Margaret Kay Davis; Abbie, Park, and Maggie

Thera would also make a perfectly nice middle name.

You asked if Harrison could be used in a girl’s name, and I think it could certainly go in the middle, especially since Abigail’s middle name is also a family surname. Margaret Harrison Davis, Hallie Harrison Davis—sure.

I notice you’ve got Susanna in your “way too common” list, but that one’s pretty unusual for today’s babies: it’s just barely in the Top 1000. Mary, too, is downright distinctive: there was a Mary in my son’s kindergarten class and it was actually startling. It can feel common because it used to be common—and the Social Security rankings are confusing for this name in particular, because of how often it’s given as a first name for religious reasons but then not used in daily life.

I’d lean heavily toward using Susanna. It’s lovely and distinctive and unusual, while sounding familiar enough that it isn’t a problem with Abigail. Then I’d use a middle name from your husband’s father’s side: Reese or Margaret or Hallie or McConnell or whatever you like best.

Actually, I think I’d lean even more heavily toward using Mary. I think you’d be pleasantly surprised by how unusual people would find it, and the traditional nickname Molly would be so sweet with Abbie. Mary McConnell Davis, nickname Molly. I love that so much, I almost feel queasy.

For a boy, I think Harrison is great: Abbie, Park, and Harris. It’s too bad Lawson and Harrison both end in -son, because it you’d rather not call him Harrison, I think Lawson is a great first name. But I think in this case I’d be inclined to shrug and say “We’re not going to call him by first and middle anyway,” and use Lawson Harrison Davis, since as soon as the birth announcements have gone out he’ll just be Lawson Davis.

I would avoid Bateman/Bates. Partly it’s because Bateman makes me think immediately of Batman. But also, I had a male co-worker with the surname Bates, and “Master Bates” came up…a lot. Perhaps it would not be so bad as a first name—or perhaps it would be worse. Maybe it would work as a middle name: Harrison Bateman Davis is nice.

I think I might consider Holmes as a middle name, too, because the thought of all those Sherlock and homeboy/homes jokes and references make me feel weary to even think about. Harrison Holmes is pretty adorable.

Baby Boy Winship, Brother to Griffin and Graydon

Rachel writes:

We are expecting our third boy soon – due date is September 19th, and we are having a terrible time deciding on a name. Our sons are named Griffin Winship and Graydon Winship (we call him Grady). We didn’t intentionally go with two Gr names, we just happened to like them both. We didn’t plan on having a third child, and now we are feeling that we are stuck with a Gr (or at least a G) name. In fact, my six-year-old is insistent they must remain the “G brothers:)”. We want something unique, unusual – not Grant or Graham, etc. One name my husband really liked was Grogan (not sure where he got it), but then we discovered what it meant on Urban Dictionary, so that choice was out:). Names we have considered are Gibson and Grantham (although that would likely turn into Grant).

Any help would be appreciated!

 

I’m not sure where to draw the unique/unusual line here. The name Graydon/Grayden isn’t in the Top 1000, but the recent and current popularity of Grayson/Greyson and of the Aiden/Brayden/Caden/Hayden/Jaden/Rayden/Zayden group makes it feel familiar. The name Griffin was #220 in 2012, comparable to Grant at #163 and Graham at #215.

I’d like to suggest Gordon, an underused G name. It’s just barely in the Top 1000 as of 2012 (and falling), it’s similar in sound to Grogan, and it has an R sound in it without being another Gr- name. It may, however, be too similar in sound to Graydon: it’s almost a rearrangement of the same sounds, with one vowel change.

Gideon would work better. It was #390 in 2012. Gideon Winship; Griffin, Graydon, and Gideon.

Normally I would suggest George, but I suspect the recent birth of the little prince has knocked that one off the list.

I suggest Gable. It’s not in the Top 1000 for 2012, nor has it been anytime recently. Gable Winship; Griffin, Graydon, and Gable.

Or Gulliver. Despite its similarity to the popular name Oliver, it isn’t in the Social Security Administrations’s database at all for 2012. Gulliver Winship; Griffin, Graydon, and Gulliver.

I like Gus a lot. It surprises me not to see it in the Top 1000 for 2012, but that may be that it’s more often given in a longer form: Angus, August, Augustus, etc. Gus Winship; Griffin, Graydon, and Gus.

Garrett is nice, and it’s another that has a strong R sound in the middle even though it doesn’t start with Gr-. It was #213 in 2012, and falling. Garrett Winship; Griffin, Graydon, and Garrett.

For something less common, Garrison is just barely in the Top 1000 and falling, and also has the inner R sound. Garrison Winship; Griffin, Graydon, and Garrison.

Baby Girl Ashley-with-an-L, Sister to Addison Hope

Karen writes:

I found your site while desperately searching for inspiration for naming our Baby Girl #2 who is due in less than 3 weeks! I have read a lot of your naming advice, and I tend to LOVE your responses!

My name is Karen, and my husband is Paul. We have one daughter, Addison Hope (Addie). Our last name is similar to Langley but rhymes with Ashley. Ashley with an “L” at the beginning as I tell people hearing it for the first time. Our last name presents the first naming challenge. So many beautiful girl names end in “L” or with the “lee” or “lyn” sound. This is just too much with our last name. Clearly, a name like Lily is out. We have agreed to avoid the “L” sound in the name–or at the least, the name shouldn’t start or end with “L” or end with “lee” or “lyn.” However, the first syllable could end with “L” (as in Shelby or Sylvia, for example), but that’s about it.

The second challenge is finding something that will match with Addison (Addie). The girls will be two and half years apart. I don’t want them to sound like twins. I certainly don’t want the names to rhyme (Addison and Madison), and I don’t really want the name to start with an “A.” We do want something that can be shortened. We love Addison’s name because she has a cute nickname to go by for as long as she chooses but also has a longer, more serious-sounding name for when she is older. I would like the same for baby girl #2.

A third challenge is finding something that is uncommon but not terribly unusual or unfamiliar. I know Addison is a rather popular name, but I would prefer that baby girl’s name at least not be in the top 5 or 10 of the most popular names. I want something “special” but not made up. I also like unisex names but really only those that are more often used for girls. Names like Blake and Logan, while sometimes used for girls, are still boy names in my book.

We are considering several names including:

Savannah (which, for me, could only be shortened to Savy which my husband isn’t crazy about)
Gracyn (Gracie/Grace/Gray, but it seems contrived, and spelling it the “boy” way of Grayson is just too “boy”)
Emery (Emmy for short. The “emery board” connection bugs me a bit, but we both really like the name)
Ivy (which can’t be shortened but is similar to Ives, a family surname)
Nora (which I LOVE, but my husband does not. It could be short for several longer names, but he really doesn’t like any of them either)

Your input and suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for considering our question.

 

This IS a challenge! I keep thinking of possibilities, getting halfway through the sentence mentioning them, and realizing they end in -ley or -son, or start with A, or are loaded with L sounds. I saw Emery and thought, “Ooo, I wonder if they’d like Ellery?”—but it has an -ee ending AND too much L. So I thought, “Wait, what’s that other one?…Everly!”—but that ends in -ly. “Emerson! It’s perfect, unisex but more for girls, and the cute nickname Emmie!”—but it’s another -son. “Emlyn!”—ends in -lyn. “Jocelyn, nickname Joss!”—ends in -lyn. “Campbell! It’s perfect, unisex but more for girls, and the cute nickname Cammie!”—but it ends in -ll. “Harper!”—no nicknames. “Finley!”—ends in -ley. “Quinn!”—no nickname. “Reese!”—no nickname. “Hollis/Holly or Ellis/Ellie!”—both currently used more often for boys, and too much L. “Morgan! Unisex/girls, and great with surname and sister name!”—no nickname. “Reagan!”—no nickname. “Rowan!”—no nickname. “Teagan!”—no nickname. “Callan, nickname Callie!”—but Callie has too much L, and Callan is used more often for boys. It’s possible that with such a tricky surname, another preference will need to go.

Maybe Delaney? It has the nickname Lanie, and it’s a surname name like Addison. I’m not sure about it with the surname, but I think it works, and I like how the sister names sound together: Addison and Delaney. Oh, but Lanie with the surname isn’t great.

Padgett would be adorable, but it’s so much less common than the name Addison, and no good nickname.

Kerrigan. Addison and Kerrigan; Addie and Kerri.

I keep coming back to Harper. It doesn’t have a good nickname, true, but I love Addison and Harper together, and I also love Harper with your surname. Harper Grace, maybe.

From your list, Gracyn and Emery seem like the best options, and I think either of those would solve the difficult challenge. Ives would make a pleasing middle name. Or Emery Grace would be nice.