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Baby Boy Olsen, Brother to Gretchen and Adam

Alyssa writes:

We are having our third and last child in early June. I am having a terrible time making a final decision on what his name should be. Our oldest is a girl, Gretchen Elizabeth, and our son to be middle is a boy, Adam Gray. I would the new little one to have a four letter name in following with my father, Gary, fil, Kurt, and husband, Leif. I am also thinking a two syllable name would sound nice since our other two have them. Right now Ezra John is the front runner but I have told a select few this name and their facial responses weren’t what I was looking for. Middle name will most likely be John or Paul after family on my husband’s family. I also like Bode and Rory which my husband is not as fond of. Any help in naming this Olsen baby is greatly appreciated.

Baby Boy Guyswhite, Brother to Landon and Nolan

Amie writes:

We are expecting our 3rd (and last) boy the beginning of May. My husband has 3 names he likes and rejects everything else I suggest, his reasons being they remind him of something negative. ( sounds like a person on the FBI most wanted, or a person he once knew ) I am out of ideas and I think I may just name him myself, although I would like my husband to like the name.

My name is Amie and my husband is Rob, our last name is 10 letters and sounds like Guyswhite. Our boys are Landon Martin (mn after my dad) and Nolan Henry. (mn after my father in law and my G-grandfather)

I like names that are not really popular or trendy and don’t want to use a nickname. I am even open to something a little different as long it will go with my boys names.

We have never had a list of girl names. Some of the names we liked with the first two and rejected.

Bennett
Garrett
William
Griffin
Elliot
Brennan (my cousin’s name)
Beckett (My favorite name with Nolan, it was between these two until after he was born )

Names I have suggested this time,

Benson (my first choice, husbands has co worker with this name and he dislikes it)
Duncan (I have this at the top of my list, my husband says it reminds him of Dunkin Donuts)
Holden (bottom of my list)
Vaughn (will this sound like part of our surname?)
Declan (husband dislikes)
Corben
Carney (my mom’s maiden name, if I had a girl I would have used my mom’s middle name Marie)
Davis (only name we agree on)
Colman (husband says like the camping lantern)
Dalton (feels western)
Van (this has been my dad’s suggestion for each of the boys, is this too short?)
Marshall (this is the name my boys want to name their brother, not my favorite)

Names that are unusable/popular, Owen, Ethan, Colin, Conner, Colton,

My husbands list, (he likes more common names that he has heard before)

Gavin (I don’t like this with our last name)
Carson (it is getting popular here, 2 at school right now)
Davis (only name we agree on)

The middle names being considered,

Patrick (both grandmother’s and my middle name)
Carney (mom’s middle name)
James (my dad, already used his mn for Landon)

Another middle name we could use is my grandfather’s name, Gerard Stephen (my mom’s dad, only person named for him is my uncle who is a junior) All the other family names from that side are not really my style, Reginald, Francis (maybe, my G-grandmother was Frances) James and Raymond.

I know we seem to be stuck in the “en” names, but are open to anything. We are really hoping to find a name that feels as good as our boys names, strong, likeable and flow well with our last name.

I hope you and your readers can give us some help.

 

The first thing I noticed is that the name Nolan contains five of the six letters of Landon, and both names contain -lan-. For a third boy, then, I would be torn between wanting to keep some letters in common for his name as well, and wanting to bring in completely different sounds to avoid confusion. When I considered the name Holden, though, which is more along the lines of the former way (the O, the L, the D, the N), I realized I’d be more inclined to the latter plan: Landon, Nolan, and Holden makes me start scrambling up the names and also forgetting who’s who.

Davis seems like an excellent choice to me. It ties in with the other two names (D-sound as in Landon; five letters as in Nolan; two syllables as in both Landon and Nolan) without adding a third matched ending or too many matching sounds—and it sounds like it’s no small thing that it’s a name the two of you agree on. I find it extremely fun to think of his brothers choosing his name, so if you don’t actively dislike the name Marshall, I think Davis Marshall Guyswhite is a wonderful name and a great whole-family effort. If you’d rather stick with a family middle name, I would definitely lean toward Patrick or Carney or Gerard (or Stephen, but I’m less fond of the way Davis Stephen blends together), since one of your dad’s names has already been used.

Davis also reminds me of Harris, but if he ever went by Harry I wonder if it sounds like “Hairy guys” with your surname.

I would also want to reconsider Beckett, since it was so close to being chosen last time. Beckett Patrick feels a little too crackling with all those -ck- and -t- sounds, and Beckett Carney feels a little too unusual, but Beckett James Guyswhite seems perfect—except it does still bother me to honor the same person a second time, so I think my top choice would be Beckett Stephen, or maybe Beckett Gerard.

Would your husband like Benton any better than Benson? Benton Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Benton. This combination does match the endings, but I think that if that’s the ending you tend to be drawn to, there’s something to be said for GOING for it. And the endings feel more like -don, -lan, and -ton than like -on, -an, and -on, anyway. My favorite would be Benton Marshall, but I also like Benton Patrick and Benton Gerard.

Vaughn and Van do always sound like part of the surname to me, but I think that’s because I’ve never known a Vaughn or Van. If I did know one, I suspect that issue would soon vanish. Still, I might be more inclined to use Vince or Vance: I haven’t known anyone with those names, either, and yet they feel more first-name-like.

Van seems a little short to me, not so much because of the number of letters but because of a combination of that issue with two other issues: the way it can sound like part of a surname, and the way it can look/sound like a type of vehicle and/or a short form of the word minivan. Something about all those things combined make it seem like part of a name, or a nickname for another name, or an abbreviation, or a startling noun name (“Car”). Again, I think this could be entirely because I haven’t known anyone named Van: it shouldn’t be much different than Dan or Jan.

 

Looking at your husband’s list, the name Gavin makes me think of these possibilities to consider (a few of which contain Van, if that increases their appeal):

Brogan Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Brogan (probably too similar)
Calvin Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Calvin
Darwin Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Darwin
Devan Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Devan
Donovan Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Donovan
Keegan Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Keegan
Sullivan Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Sullivan
Vance Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Vance

The name Carson makes me think of these possibilities:

Anderson Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Anderson
Bryson Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Bryson
Carter Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Carter
Cason Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Cason
Coleson Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Coleson (maybe too similar)
Hudson Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Hudson
Jameson Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Jameson (incorporates James)
Lawson Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Lawson (probably too similar)
Weston Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Weston
Wilson Guyswhite; Landon, Nolan, and Wilson

I’d suggest Greyson and Garrison, because I thought of them with both Gavin and Carson, but I suspect they have the same issue as Gavin Guyswhite.

 

 

Name update! Amie writes:

Just wanted to update everyone on the birth of our baby boy. We sure appreciated all the wonderful suggestions we received. We had narrowed the list down to 2 names,the one we both agreed on was Davis and the other was Walker. Davis Gerard was born on May 8th. weighing 7 lbs 10oz.

Baby Naming Issue: Okay for Cousins to Share the Same First Name?

Emily writes:

My husband and I have talked about what we would name our children for years before we actually decided to have them. Now, we’re pregnant with our first and we are so excited. We both agreed that if it was a boy we will name it August Wade. August after my great grandfather and Wade after my husband’s middle name. If it is a girl, we decided on Finley Diane. Finley because we like it and Diane after my mom’s and my middle name.

Before my grandfather passed away a few years ago, we told him that in the future, if we have a boy, we would love to name him after his father. He was very moved and it was a special moment. About a year later, we were discussing future baby names with my sister-in-law and she mentioned that the only name that she and my brother could agree on is August. At first, we were a little thrown off, since they were there when we told my grandfather our future plans. But, then we decided that we would still go forward with naming our baby August if we had a boy some day.

Another year passed, and my brother and sister-in-law shared the happy news that they were pregnant. A few months later, we found out that they were having a boy. Around this time we found out we were also expecting our first child, but have decided that we would not find out the gender until the baby is born. They have decided to go ahead and name their sweet baby August and my brother checked with me first to see if that would be alright. I told him that would be great, but that we were most likely also naming our baby August.

We don’t live in the same state and will most likely not ever be living in the same state. So, in the event that we do have a boy, our children will only be in the same place for family holidays and vacations. I’m curious if this is something we should do or just except defeat and find a different name. Is this appropriate? In our opinion, it is a family name, so it seems acceptable to pass it down. Also, they will both have a different last name as well.

Any thoughts on the etiquette of cousins with the same name?

 

I am posting this in part because it is such a happy example of the absolute IDEAL when it comes to duplicate names in a family: everything is clear and upfront, and everyone is staying sane and pleasant. Really, this hit the spot this morning, when I am reading a book with some dreadful behavior in it and was starting to despair for humankind.

Definitely both families might have preferred to have their August be the only one in the family (in this generation, I mean, since the children are being named for another family member named August), but I think the thing to do is put the preferences on a balance scale: which weighs more, your preference that your August be the only one in his generation of your family, or your preference for your favorite name? If your preference to avoid a duplicate does turn out to weigh more, then there is still time to change your mind—or perhaps the baby will be a girl, giving you more time to think it over.

I think this whole thing is going just beautifully. I think both families have good reasons to use the name, and I see nothing wrong with you both using it if you do have a boy; in fact, I think it’s charming to have cousins with the same name, and that it can give them a special bond. I love that the first discussion happened before anyone was pregnant, and that there was a re-visiting of the discussion after both pregnancies occurred, so that everyone can make their final decision based on the knowledge that the name will likely be shared. And the boys will likely have different middle names as well as different last names, so the confusion will be minimal and easy to work around: they can go by August Wade and August ___, or by A.W. and A._., or by whatever other nicknames the family finds. I think the whole plan is great and I want to kiss you all for being so lovely and reasonable.

 

 

Name update!

Was reading your blog in preparation for a future kid someday ;) and wanted to send an update on the naming of our baby BOY from your 2/4/14 post. We ended up having a boy and named him Augustus River Wade. He goes by River. Thanks for your help and all of your encouragement for having two cousins with the same name!

Emily

Baby Boy or Girl Fleece-Smith, Sibling to Charlie and Lucy (Faye)

Erin writes:

My husband and I are expecting our 3rd baby (and most likely last) at the end of February and are absolutely stuck for names! We do not have a single name that has survived the list for our baby boy! Our girl list is, of course, running wild!

Our other kids are named Charlie Flynn and Lucy Faye, though she goes Faye, so in some ways we would like a middle name that is a bit different and starts with F, but at this point we just need anything! Our last name is hyphenated (Fleece-Smith) so we not as in to long names or first names that sound like surnames.

Another issues is that we can not use family names of any sort because the families don’t really get along and because it’s our last child, we shouldn’t start now. So names that are out are: William, Owen, Paul, James, Thomas, Alexander and John. Of these we like James, Owen and Paul.

Other names that we have considered and discarded are:
Toby (not strong enough)
Elliott (ditto, though this is one I like a lot)
Ford (I think this may be too cool)
Jack (too popular)
Noah (weak again)
Oliver (ditto)
Henry (too popular)
Luke (and all of it’s permutations: Luca, Lucas, etc–way too popular, there are 3 kids named Luca in my son’s pre-K class of 25)

For a girl we would pick Alice Leigh, Lilly Alice (or reversed), Maia or Penelope (Penny) Jane. Obviously we dropped the ball on the F middle names on these!

Thanks!

 

Before seeing your list of rejected candidates, I would have suggested Oliver: it’s one of my favorites with Charlie, and both of those names were on our finalist list for our youngest son Henry. I don’t think of it as weak at all—maybe I’d call it gentle, or gentlemanly. But Oliver in the musical is one tough cookie despite being a little sweetie-pie, so I think of the name Oliver as having connotations of courage and strength and perseverance.

Henry would have been my next suggestion, if it weren’t also on the rejected list. It’s at #46 for 2012, but Charlie and Lucy are comparably popular if we take into account the various ways people get to the names (Charlie from Charles and Charlie, Lucy from Lucy and Lucia and Luciana and Lucille and Lucinda).

My third thought was Leo (another from our finalist list for Henry). Leo Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Leo.

While I’m at it, let me think—what else was on that finalist list? Alan (family name, and we’d been watching a show with Alan Alda), Milo, and…hm. Funny how I must have gone over that list a million times, yet I can’t remember it now. Charlie, Henry, Oliver, Leo, Alan, Milo, and…. Well, it’ll come to me. (I finally looked it up because it was driving me crazy, and it was Elliot—another from your list!)

Ford seems perfect for the unusual-F-middle name if it works with the chosen first name, since you like it but are worried it’s a little too cool. I like Franklin and Frederick, too. Or Forest, or Felix, or Fox, or Fletcher? Or Fisher is one of the middle names we considered for Henry. (Paul never liked it as much as I did: I’d just read a novel with a very appealing character in it named Fisher.)

For a girl, I love Flora and Florence and Fiona and Felicity and Frances and Fern. Or Faith, or Flossie is vintage and adorable.

If you like Owen, I wonder if you’d like Ian? Ian Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Ian.

Is Everett any stronger than Elliot to you? I love it with the sibling names. Everett Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Everett.

I like George in this sibling set, too, and it has some of the sound of Ford. George Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and George.

Or perhaps Calvin? Calvin Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Cal.

Or I love Joe with Charlie. Joe Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Joe.

Or Malcolm? Malcolm Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Malcolm.

Or Isaac: similar in sound to Jack, similar in style to Noah. The nickname Ike would be cute with Charlie. Isaac Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Ike.

I wish the name Harvey would get a little more popular: it doesn’t seem very different than Henry to me, in look or in sound or in era. Harvey Fleece-Smith; Charlie, Faye, and Harvey.

 

 

Name update! Erin writes:

Hi! We had our baby, he was, and is, a boy! We continued to wrestle with names until the minute we were discharged! My favorite names were Elliot Ford or George Fox, and my husband came out of left field with his new favorite Archer Ford, but he also liked George Fox. So after much negotiating we arrived at George Fox! Thanks to you and your readers and commenters! At least we knew that the middle name would be Ford or Fox!

Baby Boy Nay-Lean, Brother to Oscar Meng

Maggie writes:

We are expecting our second baby boy in about 5 weeks and are still undecided on a name! Both of our sons will have our last names as a hyphenated last name. It sounds like Nay-Lean, but with an “M” for the first letter. Our first son’s name is Oscar with a middle name Meng. We chose Oscar because we both liked the name and Meng is my husband’s father’s name. My middle name is a family name and it’s important to me to continue that tradition with my sons.

My main requirement for Oscar’s name was that it (or the nickname that he would actually be called) be two syllables. In my mind, this helps balance a somewhat awkward hyphenated last name. This eliminates a ton of boys names which are often shortened to one-syllable nicknames. I would like to continue this requirement for the new baby, although I find myself waivering on it a bit (or a lot) as we look for names. I’m also looking for a name that makes Oscar sound less “hipster” and more serious/literary/old-fashioned, rather than more hipster. I generally don’t like the trend toward surname-type boys names like Beckett or Cooper. I love 3-syllable names and my husband seems drawn to names that end in “S.” We never got too far down the road of girl’s names, but my favorite is Elsa, short for Elizabeth, which is a family name.

Here are our current contenders for first names:

Theodore (nn Theo): This was my first choice, until some friends of ours named their son Theo in October. My husband says it’s off the table and I might agree. I think Oscar and Theo go well together with a similar historic vibe and I also like that Theo has an “O” sound but doesn’t start with a vowel.

Harry: My new (somewhat reluctant) front runner. I think Harry is cute and goes well with Oscar, but worry about the “hairy” association. Also not sure I want to name him Harry as a standalone name. We could use the family name Haymond (see below) with Harry as a nickname, but I don’t love the name Haymond. My husband likes Harrison, but I don’t love it because its a surname. Any other creative ways to get to Harry? I floated Harry as a (totally made-up) nickname for Abraham, but my husband thinks its too far-fetched.

Augustus: Probably my husband’s first choice and I think the nn Gus is adorable. Husband prefers Auggie, which I like but worry it’s too vowel heavy with Oscar.

Leo: This was one of my close runners up for Oscar, but I think it’s become too popular for us in the last few years.

Atlas: My husband first suggested this name as a joke, but he’s become more serious about it. I think it’s both too unusual and too weighty (pun intended) for a name.

Julius: My husband’s suggestion. I think it’s okay, but like Julian better.

Thaddeus: My husband’s suggestion of a combination of Theodore and Atlas. Don’t love the nn Thad though. Could maybe go for Tad.

For the middle name, I would like to choose something from my mom’s family. These are the options (we’re also open to any of these as a first name if we could find a more wearable nickname):

John: my maternal grandfather’s name
Haymond: my maternal grandfather’s middle name
West: my mother’s last name
Michael: my uncle’s name
Clarence: my mother’s grandfather’s name
Rudolph: my mother’s other grandfather’s name
Wade: my mother’s uncle’s name
Klipfel: my grandmother’s maiden name

I think we need strong opinions and more suggestions! I feel like we’re no closer to a name than we were when we first found out it was a boy a few months ago. Help!

 

Prince Harry’s given name is Henry, and in fact the name Harry began as a nickname for Henry. Henry (Harry) Nay-Lean; Oscar and Henry/Harry. Then if the “hairy” issue DID become a problem, you could easily fall back on Henry, or on Hank. And Henry can feel quite literary: Henry James, O. Henry. It may be too popular for you, however: it was #43 in 2012 (for comparison, the name Oscar was #177; Leo was #134).

I’d add Abram. It’s not very common (#392 in 2012); it’s two syllables; and it has the great nicknames Abe and Bram. I wonder, though, if it merges with the M- of the surname.

Atlas and Julius make me think of Silas. Silas Nay-Lean; Oscar and Silas.

Julius and Leo make me think of Louis. Louis Nay-Lean; Oscar and Louis. I really like that one.

Augustus and Atlas make me think of Angus. Angus Nay-Lean; Oscar and Angus/Gus.

Augustus and Atlas also make me think of Atticus. Atticus Nay-Lean; Oscar and Atticus.

Or Douglas. Douglas Nay-Lean; Oscar and Douglas.

Or Alistair. Alistair Nay-Lean; Oscar and Alistair. I’m not crazy about the matched endings, but I didn’t notice it until I was proof-reading so maybe the different number of syllables helps reduce the effect.

Theo and Leo make me think of Hugo. Hugo Nay-Lean; Oscar and Hugo.

I like Franklin—though it helps that I went to high school with a guy named Frank who was bright and funny and well-liked. Franklin Roosevelt and Benjamin Franklin are also good associations for me. Franklin Nay-Lean; Oscar and Franklin/Frank.

I’d also add Everett. Everett Nay-Lean; Oscar and Everett.

I frequently push the name John as a first name. I think you might find it a surprisingly satisfying choice: depending on where you live, it can be very uncommon in the classroom—almost startling. Johnny would be the retro nickname, or of course there’s Jack; or you could do an initials nickname with the middle name (J.W.); or you could call him by first and middle names (John West); but John on its own might be distinctive enough. John Nay-Lean; Oscar and John.

I think Rudy works great as an everyday nickname for Rudolph. I still think of cute Rudy on The Cosby Show, but I doubt many of his peers would—and even Rudy Huxtable doesn’t make the name seem girlish to me.

Baby Boy _____hazen; Short and Simple with a Nickname

S. writes:

Our first baby, a boy, is due to arrive any day now and we do not have a name…or even close really. Surname is a four syllable Dutch name ending in hazen sound but we are both English speaking only. My husband’s family typically all have short easy to say and spell names to balance out the surname with no middle names. I love nicknames and middle names. I have convinced him we need a nickname and middle name but he’d still like to keep it really simple.

Here are names we are considering:
Sam Avery
Theo James (can you use Teddy as a nickname in this case?)
Edward Avery (nickname Ted or teddy, husband also likes the option of just calling him ted as the proper

Husband also likes classics like Eric, Alex, Henry. I like jasper.

The other main issue is that I have been calling the baby Georgie since I found out I was pregnant. We kinda ruled out George as an option after the prince was born and husband isn’t a huge fan anyway but I just can’t stop calling him that.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

 

I think it would be fun and lovely to use George as a middle name so you can keep calling him Georgie if you want to, especially since your husband doesn’t care much about either a middle name or a nickname. It wouldn’t even need to be a part of his legal name, however; plenty of people still call their children by Fetus Nicknames such as Bean, Peanut, Bear, etc.; Georgie seems like a particularly good one.

I would encourage George as a great short, easy first name, except that your husband isn’t as keen on the name even without the Baby Prince factor. If he’d be willing to reconsider it, though, I think it’s a great choice. The princes Charles, William, and Henry haven’t ruined those names for use, and I don’t think the name George needs to be ruined either.

My top favorite of all the short and easy names is John. I will not be surprised if your eyes have glazed over a bit, because I think John is a name the eyes skip right past in the name book. But say it a few times. Imagine it written on a cute kindergarten drawing, perhaps with a backwards J and N. And think of how few CHILDREN named John you know: depending on your area of the country, it may be pretty much none. In my area, there is almost literally a Jacob in each classroom in one grade (the names are outside the classroom doors, and while waiting for a parent-teacher conference I looked with increasing incredulity at each batch—we must have had a run on them that year), but almost ZERO boys named John. In fact, I asked the kids and none of them have ever had a classmate named John (though there have been a few Jonathans). So! That’s my vote for classic yet surprising, unless you are in an area where three of your friends already have sons named John.

John isn’t great with the middle name George, though. Theo George ____hazen works better. I tend to be on the picky/strict end of the spectrum, nickname-wise, so I wouldn’t use the nickname Ted/Teddy for it—but society at large is less picky/strict than I am, so you’d be in good company if you used it anyway. One thing I wouldn’t like about it is that it adds a second explanation to the name: you’ll already sometimes have “No, just Theo—not short for Theodore,” and adding “We call him Ted—no, short for Theo, not for Theodore or Edward” seems like it counteracts the benefits of going short and simple with the first name.

I wonder if you’d like the name Milo? Or Leo? Both are short and easy. No natural nicknames (Lee, maybe, for Leo), but it’s harder to find nicknames for short and easy names. Perhaps an initials nickname (A.J., etc.), if the middle name works for it? T.J. is cute for Theo James.

It’s tricky to come up with more suggestions without knowing what other sounds are in the surname, but here are a few more nice short first names:

Ben
Dane
Dean
Evan
Ian
Finn
Jack
Jacob/Jake
Karl
Luke
Grant
Max
Owen
Paul
Reid
Wes

I also think you could re-examine longer names, especially if they’re easy ones. For example, Charles/Charlie is longer, but it’s still only two syllables and a very familiar, easy name. Or Samuel is still quite short and simple. Or Benjamin and Jonathan and Christopher and Alexander are all considered long, and yet they’re easy. Theodore doesn’t seem unnecessarily long or difficult to me with a four-syllable surname: it’s long, certainly, but not WEIRDLY long—and only one single syllable longer than Theo.

The winner in my family is my daughter, who has a twelve syllables total in her name; it hasn’t been an issue, even though I fretted about it when we were naming her. Flipping through one of the kids’ yearbooks has considerably rested my mind on this type of issue: TONS of people have names that would have seemed too short/long/alliterative/choppy/difficult in the naming stage, and yet seem completely fine once they’re a done deal. And since nicknames are important to you, I can really see how you’d get stuck. I think your husband’s family may be overcompensating; if you’re having a lot of trouble choosing a name, I’d recommend expanding the field of candidates to include longer (but still easy/simple/familiar) names.

 

 

 

Name update!

Hi there,

I never responded to your blog post and all the great feedback I received on my naming dilemma. And now baby is almost 6 months old but better late than never. We narrowed it down to Sam, Ted or Leo. All short and sweet and all options both my husband and I liked. But then when I was in labour I said to my husband “If I survive this I am naming this baby Georgie” and then as soon as he came out (perfect and healthy) I said Georgie! and instantly fell in love. He was Georgie all along, I should have never second guessed it. His full name is George Leo. I haven’t received a single negative comment about copying the royal baby and my husband totally loves the name now too and says he can’t imagine him as anything else.

Thanks!
Sarah

Baby Girl McFew, Sister to Levi Harper

Leitia writes:

I feel like I may go crazy, but am choosing to blame it mostly on the pregnancy hormones. We are expecting a baby girl in early May. We thought we had her name picked out: Norah. We chose that name when I was pregnant with my son 3 years ago. However we are pretty sure we want something different at this point. I am not bothered by a name that is popular, but we have met/know nine little Noras in the past 1.5 years-NINE!!! Four live in our neighborhood and five of them are children of people in our social network, all are under age 5 and three were born in the past two months. We are feeling like it is just too much, and the name has lost its special feel. Our son’s name is Levi, which is technically more popular, but I have only met 1 in person, and have one friend with a child named Levi, so I do not think it is just our hypersensitivity to a name.

Our last name is Irish and sounds like McFew. My husband is Ben(jamin) and I am Leitia(Layshuh), a name I have grown to appreciate, but has always been a pain. We want recognizable, easy to spell and pronounce names for our children. Our son is Levi Harper. And had this baby been a boy, he would be Simon Reid. We do not know at this point if this baby is our last or not.

We are avoiding family names for middles, and opting for names we like and/or have special meaning to us. We seem to prefer names that are classy, short and sweet, have good meaning, age well, and pair well with Levi and our last name.

I felt sure I had found the perfect name at one point: Miriam, but called Mira almost exclusively. It fit everything I was looking for so perfectly, and has such a special meaning to me. I was so sure it was “the” name that I felt confident we were having a girl before ever finding out. My husband has tried to come around to it, but says he just does not like it. I have passed the idea of just using Mira by him, or even the Irish Meara, but he still does not like it. So we need help!

Names on our short list, but none are jumping out at us:

Claire
June
Keira
Naomi
Myra
Hazel
Clara
Neva
Margo(t)

My husband has thrown out just a few names. He seems to gravitate towards short and Irish: Bria, Keira, and Keela. None feel classic enough for me.

Names I love, but husband doesn’t: Caroline, Eliza, Nessa, Pearl, Daphne, Freya, Fiona, Sylvia/Sylvie, Thea, Vada. I feel like I am mostly into names that are classic or old, and a little spunky. The middle name will likely be one from our short list, probably June, Claire, or Naomi.

We need help! I am such a planner. Even though we still have a few months, I never dreamed we would not have chosen a name by now.

Thank you for any guidance!

 

It is really a shame your husband doesn’t like Mira, especially since he DOES like Keira and Myra. Perhaps Miriam will work as the middle name.

When I read that Nora was out, the first name that came to mind was Cora. It’s very similar in style to Nora; it’s easy to spell and pronounce; it’s classy, short, and sweet; and perhaps it will not have enjoyed quite the resurgence that Nora has in your neighborhood. Cora McFew; Levi and Cora.

Or Nina. Nina McFew; Levi and Nina.

Or Orla. Orla McFew; Levi and Orla.

Or Georgia. Georgia McFew; Levi and Georgia.

Or Mallory. Mallory McFew; Levi and Mallory.

Or Nadia. Nadia McFew; Levi and Nadia.

Or perhaps Eleanor, and call her Nell or Ellie instead of Nora. Then perhaps as she gets older, the Noras in your area will thin out and you can call her Nora after all. Eleanor McFew; Levi and Eleanor; Levi and Nell.

Or Noelle. Noelle McFew; Levi and Noelle.

Or Nola. Nola McFew; Levi and Nola.

Or Carys. Carys McFew; Levi and Carys.

Or Brin/Bryn/Brynne. Brin McFew; Levi and Brin.

I think Lydia would be lovely, if you don’t mind repeating the initial. Lydia McFew; Levi and Lydia. I thought of it when I was imagining a little Simon born later: Levi, Lydia, and Simon. The long-I sound and 2-syllable length ties Levi and Simon together; the L-initial ties Levi and Lydia together; and the 5-letter length ties Lydia and Simon together. And all three have a biblical sound.

I wonder if Anna might be just the thing. It’s simple and classic, and very easy to pronounce and spell. Anna McFew; Levi and Anna.

Or Audrey? Audrey McFew; Levi and Audrey.

 

 

Name update! Leitia writes:

Thanks for posting our baby name dilemma!  It was so fun hearing everyone’s feedback.  After going through time and time again and considering so many lovely names, we decided to stick with our original choice of Norah.  It still felt special despite so, so many Nora(h)s around us.  We tried so hard to agree on another name that felt as special.   We went to the hospital with the name Norah June Miriam.  We decided to add a second middle name since Miriam had such special meaning to me for this pregnancy.  However, when I first held her in my arms, I knew Norah was not her name.  I did not tell my husband at first because I was feeling so overwhelmed from the delivery.  Later in the night, he asked if I felt Norah was the right name.  I confessed, I was having a hard time seeing her as Norah.  I told him I thought she was a Mira.  He said he thought Norah or Mira would be equally wonderful names and suit her well either way I felt.  So we had the nurses change all her signs to “Mira June McFew.”  It is perfect and so is she.  My husband and I are both thrilled with our choice.  And I have secretly tucked away “Tessa Pearl” for a future daughter if there ever is one.  Tessa was my favorite reader suggestion AND I was smitten with all the love for Pearl :)

Mira June, born April 27th.  Photo attached!

Thanks again, Leitia

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Baby Name to Discuss: Ellison

Allyson writes:

In my constant search to find more than one girl’s name that my husband doesn’t hate, I came across Ellison. I like the sound of it and the nickname Ellie is cute, as is Elle. Google and baby name forums, however, tell me that most people see it as a boy name, due to the -son ending. But that logic doesn’t makes sense to me since Allison, Madison, etc., are firmly in the girl category these days.What are your thoughts? Maybe a poll?

The second issue is my name is Allyson. Is it weird to name a baby girl Ellison since it is so close to my name?

 

As you’ve found, there are plenty of people who think that the -son ending of Ellison, Allison, Emerson, and Madison means those names should be “boy names.” In some cultures, the suffix -son did sometimes mean “son of,” as did the prefixes “Mc-” and “Mac-” and even “B-“. If -son did mean “son of” in our culture, it would be extremely odd to name a child Emerson if his father’s name weren’t Emery—like saying outright that he’d been fathered by another man. Instead, in American English, -son is just a sound, and can be used without revealing the child’s sex or parentage. The same sound can be spelled -sen, -syn, -sin, -san, -sun, -synne, etc.

Even if we did believe the suffix -son ought to always indicate a boy’s name (and a boy’s father’s name), this belief would run counter to the way the names are actually being used. When we consider whether to call a name a “boy name” or a “girl name,” what we look at is its current usage in its current location. Ashley, for example, is neither a “boy name” nor a “girl name”; Ashley is a name that in the United States was once used for boys and is currently used for girls.

So let’s look at the current usage of the name Ellison: in 2012, the name was given to 234 new baby girls and 43 new baby boys. The spelling Ellyson was given to another 36 new baby girls; the spelling Ellisyn to another 45 new baby girls. I’d say this makes Ellison a unisex name currently used more often for girls. The popularity of El- names for girls right now, plus the similarity to the name Allison, would make me push it even a little further toward the girl side; I don’t think I’d recommend it for boys right now.

We can also look at the usage from recent years, to get an idea of where the name is headed. Looking only at the main spelling Ellison:

2007: 150 girls, 22 boys
2008: 172 girls, 29 boys
2009: 146 girls, 31 boys
2010: 196 girls, 30 boys
2011: 234 girls, 31 boys
2012: 234 girls, 43 boys

Overall, the name Ellison is rising for both girls and boys, while staying more common for girls.

The similarity of Ellison to Allyson would be my primary concern. They’re very, very similar: only one slight vowel-sound difference between them. The mix-ups would be a continual issue—and the spelling difference might also lead to a lot of Ellyson, Ellisyn, and Allison mistakes. But I don’t think this has to rule the name out: I think a lot of people would even get a kick out of it (though perhaps that too might get a little tiresome). It helps that the names are generationally appropriate: if I knew of a mother-daughter pair named Ellison and Allyson, I would be able to guess which was which and be fairly confident of my accuracy.

Baby Girl Sarah-with-an-M

Molly writes:

My name is Molly and my husbands name is William, but he always goes by Will. Our last name sounds like Sarah, but starts with an M. Our first baby, a little girl, is due in 3 weeks, and we can’t come to a consensus about a name! We are attracted to classic, traditional and feminine names. I tend to shy away from super popular names in this category (like Charlotte), and love names that have a nickname (Rosie for Rose, for example). We plan to have at least one my child, and if this baby were a boy, we likely would have named him Charles (nn. Charlie).

As of last week, we had narrowed our name choice down to either Eloise Audrey or Jane Audrey. My middle name is Jane, and I have always wanted to name a daughter Jane, nn. Janie. My husband “likes” it, but it’s not his favorite. I have also hesitated, as my sister thinks it’s a bit egotistical to use your name for your child? Is that a common conception? As for Eloise, my husband loves it, and I like it. My concerns include pronunciation (I pronounce it EL-oise, but many others say elo-EEZE…is there a right way?), as well as the trendiness of “El” names (Ella, Ellie, etc.). I am also a little cautious, as the popularity seems to be rising quite quickly. My husband thinks it is an elegant, versatile name that lends itself to a variety of nicknames. Any other first names come to mind?

Other first names we like but have ruled out:

Grace (family member named her daughter this)

Rose (Rose M. sounds like Rosemary)

Elizabeth (bad association)

Audrey (husband doesn’t like it as a first name)

Charlotte (too trendy, would like to “save” Charles for a boy)

Elsie (too nick-namey, and we don’t like Elsa or Elspeth, though husband thinks we could use it as nn. for Eloise, while I think it’s a stretch)

In regard to a middle name, we had planned to use Audrey, as it’s a family name. However, last week, my sweet grandfather died. He has been a large part of my life, and the last time I spoke to him, he joked that I should try and have our daughter on his birthday (3 days after our due date) and name her Roberta after him (Robert, called Bobby). Though I am 100% sure my feisty grandfather was joking, I am now inclined to incorporate his name into our daughter’s, somehow. The problem is this: we don’t like Roberta, and can’t come up with a suitable alternative/derivative as an honor name to potentially use in the first or middle position. I have toyed with using his last name (Gallivan) as her middle name, but it certainly doesn’t have the same “flow” as Audrey with our current top contenders. Could you or your readers help us out?

Thanks!!

 

Certainly it’s a long-standing and familiar practice in our society to hand names down from parent to child. It’s much more common to do so with the father’s name, which I find a little annoying considering it’s also so much more common to hand down the father’s surname. Well. In any case, I can tell you that I don’t think it’s egotistical to hand down a name from mother to daughter, especially when it’s a middle name; and in fact I think it’s a very sweet connection. If your sister wants to spin it as egotistical, I’m not sure we can stop her, but I don’t think you should let it stop YOU.

If Eloise is close but not quite right, I suggest Eliza. Perhaps you and she could share a middle name? Eliza Jane is such a great combination, and gives you other good nicknames such as Ellie Jane and Liza Jane.

The Baby Name Wizard pronounces Eloise the same way you do, and so do I (based on the pronunciation used by the single Eloise I’ve known personally). If I hadn’t searched online and found many, many, many pages devoted to discussions on the topic, I would have thought the other pronunciation resulted from confusing Eloise with the name Louise/Louisa or with the French Eloise in the children’s book series (the French pronunciation is ello-WEES, with the S pronounced as an S rather than Z). If you know many people who pronounce it that way, that’s definitely something to take into account when considering the name. I wouldn’t think of it as a deal-breaker, but the hassle of correcting people (or choosing to let them pronounce it differently than you’d prefer) would be part of the package deal of the name. Louise or Louisa might be easier (though there is still the issue of how the S is pronounced), and would also avoid the recent popularity of El- names.

Part of the reason honor names are so honor-y is that they generally involve using a name not to the parents’ usual tastes: it’s an unusual coincidence when someone we want to honor has a name that’s already on our favorites list and also works perfectly with the other names involved. And so that becomes part of the honor: we give up other preferences (flow; getting to choose any name we want) for the happiness of remembering a particular person every time we use our child’s name.

If you dislike the name Roberta too much for this to be worth it, one possibility is Robin, an old nickname for Robert. Or I suppose Robert to Bertie to Birdy might work, though it seems as if Birdy wouldn’t make you think of your grandfather; I’d be more inclined to use Roberta as the middle name and take advantage of Birdy as a cute nickname option. Or I do think Gallivan is a nice idea; I love the way a family surname honors a whole branch of the family. Or you could change direction entirely and look for a name with the initials R.G.—though, again, that idea seems less likely to make you think of your grandfather. Or you could save Robert for a future possible son, since you already have the family names Jane and Audrey to use for daughters: Charles Robert is a very handsome name. I might also base it on the baby’s birthdate: I’m not sure I could resist using Roberta as the middle name if she were to be born on your grandfather’s birthday.

Baby Girl F@rthing, Sister to @rden M@e

$kye writes:

I am due with my second girl in six weeks and absolutely do not have a name, not even one to consider! I am so lost that I’m afraid we won’t even have names to pick from when at the hospital!

My first daughter is 3, named @rden M@e (middle name after my grandmother).
Originally our requirements were we wanted another name that begins with an “A” but we have thrown that out at this point. We would like a name that has two syllables and does not leave room for a nickname. Because we have not been able to come up with such name, we are open to any suggestions!

Here is where we are today:

We would still prefer the name to have two syllables and not give room for a nickname. We would like to give our second daughter my middle name which is @nn.
Our daughter @rden keeps referring to her baby sister as Della. We don’t know where she got that name but she introduces my belly to everyone as her baby sister Della. We have had several people suggest to us to name the baby Della but that doesn’t work because we have an Ella in our extended family and I just don’t love the name.

We like names that are not common but not made up and have found that we really like the names Neely and Landry but cannot use those names due to friends having named their children such names.

Other names that have been suggested to us but we have turned down for some reason or another are:

Carys
Ansel
Seren
Gentry
Hartley
Keelin
Keela
Noely
Nora
Roslyn
Reyna
Reeve

I provided these as a hopes to give you an idea of our naming style. Swistle, can you and your readers help us so that we can have at least ONE name to consider?!?

We are desperate. Thank you for your consideration.

 

 

 

Name update! $kye writes:

Hi Swistle and Readers,

Please meet Della Joann. After we considered several names suggested by Swistle readers and strongly considered Maslyn, she was given the name her bigger sister gave her when we found out we were having a girl. We couldn’t get over that she would only refer to her as Della, so that was the name chosen after she was 5 hours old. The Jo is for the first two letters of dad’s first name and Ann is mom’s middle name. It is neat that we all got to attribute to her name. Hopefully she will like it when she gets older! Thank you for going along with us on the naming journey.

Here is the proud big sister, @rden, and Della.
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