This will be a full post later on, but I want to collect some data as I’m working on it: If you saw the name Meara, how would you think it was pronounced?
Monthly Archives: April 2013
Baby Boy or Girl Automuhnelly, Sibling to Timothy and Ellen
L. writes:
I love your blog and have spent countless hours reading the archives and
comments through each pregnancy. I always say that if all that were
involved with having a baby were picking the name, I would have 100 because
I love finding the perfect name so much. Now, I am driving myself crazy
trying to narrow down the choices for a girl name and desperately want your
expert opinion.My name is Lisa and my husband is Peter. I am pregnant with my third, due
this spring. We have a boy and a girl, so we decided to not find out the
gender for this baby since we feel like he or she will be icing on the cake
either way. My husband and I have very different tastes in names and both
times before, we have waited to meet the baby to decide on the name. We
named my son Timothy Michael and he goes by Timothy, Tim and Timmy. Michael
is my husband’s father’s name. He was born on Christmas morning at a
whopping 9 lbs, 9 oz so we decided he was our little Tiny Tim. My daughter
is Ellen Lucille. Ellen was my grandmother’s name, as well as my middle
name, my mom’s middle name and my aunt on the other side’s middle name. We
call her Ellie sometimes (even though it completely rhymes with our last
name). My husband picked Lucille just because he liked it, and we found
out later that it was the name of a close friend of my Grandmother who got
married in the same church on the same day as my grandparents! I
absolutely love both of their names. I have never met another kid with
their names but have also never had any trouble with people mispronouncing
or misspelling them.We have a very difficult last name, it’s pronounced Auto-muh-nelly (5
syllables and 11 letters!) but it starts with an O. We constantly have to
spell it and/or pronounce it for people, so it’s pretty important for me to
pick names for my kids that are easy to say and spell. I also prefer
shorter names (or at least shorter nicknames) since the last name is so
long. Other “rules” are that it be (1) a classic name (in existence since
at least the 1950s, preferably earlier), (2) not too popular (preferably
not the top 100, but we’re flexible if it’s popular because it’s been
around forever, like John or Mary), (3) lend itself to a good nickname, (4)
be good for a child AND an adult and (5) not be identified primarily with a
particular religion or ethnicity. Of course now I also want to make sure
that the name fits with the other two we have.For a boy, we really like the name Thomas, but can’t have a Tommy and a
Timmy. We also like the name James, but not the nickname Jamie (or Jimmy).
Our two frontrunners for boy names are Theodore (Teddy) and Henry. For a
middle name, I like the idea of using Robert after my father, but also am
tempted to use Thomas or James.For girls, we are kind of stuck. At first, we thought we were agreed on
either Madeline or Olivia, but I have since started doubting both. I don’t
think I like the nickname Maddie and I can’t really picture a grown-up
Madeline. Olivia is A LOT of syllables to stick in front of our last name
and it is one of the most popular names out there. Plus there isn’t really
a great nickname. We do think it’s a pretty name though.Other names we like but aren’t convinced are the one:
Caroline (i think this is a beautiful name, but don’t really like any
nicknames and worry about people mispronouncing it)
Charlotte (maybe too popular and no great nicknames)
Leah (I like this and think it’s short and sweet, but husband isn’t
convinced and it’s pretty popular)
Grace (too popular and don’t like “Gracie”)
Margaret, nn Maggie or Margot (I think I am trying to convince myself to
like it, but it still sounds kind of old-ladyish to me)
Katherine, nn Kate (I really like this, he’s not sure)
Julia (Don’t think he’d go for this, but I think it’s pretty)Names my husband has shot down / names we don’t like / names we can’t use:
Clara / Claire
Katelyn
Jocelyn
Celeste
Penelope
Evangeline nn Eva
Amelia
Naomi
Gabrielle
Alexandra
Andrea
Samantha
Josephine
Beatrice
Chloe
Anne / Annabelle
EvelynThere aren’t really any good family names that I’m aware of. Is there a
name that we’re just not thinking about and would be a perfect fit in our
family? Or do I just need to pick one of our maybes and let it grow on me?
I am hoping to go to the hospital with 2 or 3 names that I love so we can
pick the right one when we meet him or her.
Thank you!
and
I thought we had narrowed down our choices to one boy name and one girl
name, but about every other day, I find myself doubting the girl name. We
have about 7 more weeks to pick out a name, and feeling unsettled is
stressing me out! We could really use some expert advice.For a boy, we are 99% sure we’ll go with Theodore. The other name we’re
holding on to is Henry.For a girl, we had tentatively picked out Angeline Grace, with the nickname
Angie. While I think this is a pretty name, I just am not sure how well it
goes with my other two kids.The other name my husband liked that I dismissed as too popular was Amelia,
but I keep coming back to it. I think I like Emilia better because of the
nickname options, but does it seem like a made-up name? And is it too
similar to Ellie?I think I just want a fresh perspective because I’ve been mulling these
over for so many months that it seems impossible to get any clarity and
settle on one or two names.Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated!
To me, the name Angeline sounds much fancier than the names Timothy and Ellen. With sibling names, I especially compare siblings of the same sex: in this case, sisters named Ellen and Angeline seem set up to do a plot line with one sensible sister and one glamorous one.
Emilia doesn’t seem made up to me, but a 4-syllable first name with a 5-syllable last name (both heavy on L and M sounds) seems like it’s pushing the limit. I also think Ellie and Emmie are too close, and that Timmy and Emmie are too close.
Olivia and Madeline are both much more popular than you’d prefer: you’re hoping to avoid the Top 100, but Olivia is in the Top 10 and Madeline is there too when the spellings are added up. Madeline is also out if you’re looking for easy to spell and say: there are two common pronunciations and half a dozen common spellings. Olivia does have the cute nicknames Liv and Livvy, though, if you want them. And I think Madeline works great on a grown woman: I’m thinking of Madeleine Albright, Madeleine L’Engle, and Madeline Kahn, just for starters.
With Ellen and Timothy, though, I think I’d be looking for something different. The name Timothy is never really out but was especially stylish in the 1950s and 1960s; the name Ellen hit its high point in the 1940s and 1950s. I looked for the top names in 1955 and found these to consider:
Alice
Angela
Diana
Frances
Holly
Jane
Jill
Joan
Joanne
Joy
June
Laura
Louise
Mary
Robin
Rose
Ruth
Sarah
Susan
Suzanne
Some of these may be too similar in sound to Ellen, but it’s a little hard to tell: are Ellen and Alice too close? Ellen and Susan? And some might not work with the surname, but again it’s hard to tell: Diana Automuhnelly? Holly Automuhnelly?
My favorites from the list are:
Frances Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Frances; Timmy, Ellie, and Frannie
Jane Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Jane; Timmy, Ellie, and Janie
Laura Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Laura; Timmy, Ellie, and Laurie
Ruth Automuhnelly; Timothy, Ellen, and Ruth; Timmy, Ellie, and Ruthie
Name update! L. writes:
Thank you for posting my question! We had a boy-thankfully-because I was just not excited about any of our potential girl names. I think that heading in to the hospital, we had narrowed our choices to Theodore or Henry for a boy. For a girl, we had Catherine and Grace and my husband insisted that Angeline was still a contender. When my husband said “it’s a boy!” I jumped at the chance to have a Teddy, and my husband passed down his middle name as our son’s middle. Theodore Joseph joined our family on May 10th and we all love our little Teddy Bear!
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Baby Girl Ryder, Sister to Adelaide: Juliette or Nicolette?
Sara writes:
Hello to you Swistle and your wonderful helpers!
We are very much hoping for some name wisdom, as we seem to be stuck. We are expecting our 2nd little girl in June and she will be joining big sister, Adelaide Fiona. (We were really close to naming her Fiona but having the last name, Ryder, Winona Ryder seemed too close. Now we wouldn’t change it for the world, Adelaide is just right for her)
Baby sister coming in June has two potential names and we are struggling to choose. The two names are Juliette & Nicolette. Obviously, only one can be used and we don’t know which. We love and adore Juliette, (especially this spelling but would people pronounce it JU-lee-ette or would they say as Juliet – Jul-jet) if pronounced right, but fear the popularity of the name and my husband is unsure of how irritating it will be for her to say: My name is Juliette with TE at the end.
We also love and adore Nicolette, as it is similar to Juliette but is much less popular. We think it has a very elegant touch to it. Both names are French as her first name will honor my French heritage as Adelaide honors husband’s German roots.
We want a French name but are also worrying about the length of the names. We don’t mind long names but Adelaide has Ada and Addie as occasional nicknames but we don’t see any we like for Nicolette or Juliette. Another thing someone pointed out was that Nicolette made her think of Nicorette. IS this an issue?
After writing all of this out, I worry we haven’t found the name for her at all. Had she been a boy her name would’ve been Dashiell or Lucian (we really wanted to use Mason, had it not been so popular).
Right now, as you see, we are struggling. We want to find her name fast. Should it be Nicolette or Juliette or a third? We hope you can help us out!
A couple of years ago at kindergarten drop-off, one of my twins had a Nicolette in class—AND this Nicolette had the kind of parent who says the child’s name with every single sentence. So I got a nice year-long exposure to the name and, if it helps, never thought of Nicorette. I’m not sure why, since they’re only one letter off from each other, but those two names are just completely separate in my mind. Even after I read your letter and put it into the spreadsheet, I’d forgotten the Nicorette thing by the time I came back to it.
Probably because of Nicollette Sheridan (who was born in the early 1960s), and because of the immense popularity of the name Nicole in my own generation, I feel like Nicolette is different in era/style from Adelaide, and Juliette feels like a better fit to me. But I think either one works.
I suspect either Nicolette or Juliette would develop its own nickname over time. Maybe it would be something not related to the name, or maybe her sister will call her Nini or Leelee, or maybe one of the nicknames you don’t like would turn out to fit her perfectly. (I’m trying to remember which Liz I know whose parents said they’d really wanted to avoid the nickname Liz—but then it turned out she was “SUCH a Liz!”) Or maybe you’ll find you like a nickname better if it can be combined with the middle name, or with a nickname of the middle name: for example, Nicolette Louise could be Lettie Lou.
Juliette does not seem very popular to me yet. According to the Social Security Administration, the name Juliet was #252 in 2011 and the name Juliette was #377; the name Adelaide was #407 but climbing at a much more rapid rate. I’d expect to see them at very compatible rankings when the 2012 data comes out next month.
I think you’re right that a Juliette would have to specify each time that her name was spelled with an -ette instead of an -et. But speaking as a Kristen who always has to specify that it’s with a K and an -en, I can say it hasn’t been something that’s seemed like a burden. So many people have to spell their names (is it Trisha or Tricia? Jen or Jenn? Isabelle or Isabel? Sophia or Sofia? Aiden or Aidan? Sarah or Sara? Lila or Lilah? Ann or Anne?), it feels like a normal thing to me.
Which of the two names do you LIKE better? I found I couldn’t tell from the letter; if I could tell, I would probably push you in that direction.
In the meantime, if it would be fun to consider more possibilities, I suggest Celeste. It’s probably my top favorite French name for girls right now. Celeste Ryder; Adelaide and Celeste.
Or wait, maybe Simone is my favorite. Simone Ryder; Adelaide and Simone.
Or maybe it’s Genevieve (unless Genevieve is only French if it’s pronounced like john-vee-ev, which I also like but it’s not the version I’m thinking of). Genevieve Ryder; Adelaide and Genevieve.
Or Noelle. Noelle Ryder; Adelaide and Noelle.
Or Estelle. Estelle Ryder; Adelaide and Estelle.
Or Lisette is pretty. Lisette Ryder; Adelaide and Lisette.
I see Eloise on a list of French names; I don’t think of it as smacking of Frenchness—but if it’s French enough, it’s probably my actual first choice. Eloise Ryder; Adelaide and Eloise.
Let’s have a poll, too, to see which of your two finalists everyone prefers! (This is my first time using this new kind of poll, so let’s hope for success but brace for failure.)
[yop_poll id=”2″]
Baby Boy Tirboarg, Brother to David
Liz writes:
We have just one week to go until our baby boy arrives and need your help naming David’s brother! Our surname (pronounced tir-boarg) is kind of a mouthful and we always need to clarify pronunciation and spelling. So we’re keen on familiar, classic names like David that feel friendly and timeless, and wont be constantly misspelled. We also like names that seem appropriate on a little boy as well as an old man.
The challenge that we’ve had naming #2 is that many of the names we like either start with a T or end with “ter”, and we’re not sure how this repetition sounds with our surname. We both like the name Peter (my father’s name) since it is a timeless name that you don’t hear much on little boys these days (much like David), but wonder about the repetition of “ter”. As an alternative, we’d like to use it as a middle name if possible.
My husband’s first choice is William, which I like because it is classic and warm sounding, but I’m afraid with all the Williams and Liams out there now that he’ll be lost in the crowd. But maybe that’s silly with such a classic name? I also have many Williams on my side of the family so it seems overused to my ears. Although William Peter sounds very distinguished to me (but maybe too much for a little boy?).
My husband’s other favorites include Daniel (I’d like to avoid siblings with the same initial), John (family name on his side, too common for me), Theodore, and Carter. Names I like (but do not necessarily meet our criteria) are Ethan (husband thinks it is too “soft”), Evan (ditto), Joshua (ditto), Simon, Robert, Grant, Owen, Lucas (Luke), Tyler, Jeffrey, Gregory and Landon.
I’m hoping you can help us find a timeless name that fits well with our surname before this baby jumps into our lives! Thank you!
I tried saying Peter with your surname several times aloud, and I think I prefer Peter as the middle name. I love the sound of William Peter; I think it would be adorable on a little boy and yet great on a grown man.
The names David and William seem to me to be the traditional classics of different eras: William feels more recent, even though both names have been popular all along. Perhaps it’s because William AS WILLIAM is more current: a generation or two or three ago, so many of the Williams were Bills. Or perhaps it’s just that classics drift in and out of stylishness (even if their popularity stays pretty steady), and William currently feels quite stylish.
Theodore, Carter, Evan, Simon, Grant, Owen, and Landon also have a much more modern sound than David to me.
I would be more inclined to look at the traditional names that were in style when I was a child, or when my parents were. Daniel, Joshua, John, Robert, and Jeffrey all fall into the category I’m thinking of.
Andrew, maybe. Andrew Tirboarg; David and Andrew. Andrew Peter Tirboarg.
Stephen Tirboarg; David and Stephen. Stephen Peter Tirboarg.
James Tirboarg; David and James. James Peter Tirboarg.
Adam Tirboarg; David and Adam. Adam Peter Tirboarg.
Michael Tirboarg; David and Michael. Michael Peter Tirboarg.
Nathan Tirboarg; David and Nathan. Nathan Peter Tirboarg.
Aaron Tirboarg; David and Aaron. Aaron Peter Tirboarg.