Monthly Archives: October 2011

Baby Naming Issue: Roman Bishop

Ms. Bishop writes:

I’m having a naming dilemma and have approximately 6 weeks left before our baby boy arrives!!! I hope you and your readers can help.

Coming up with a name that both my husband and I liked was difficult enough. We finally came up with a list of about 5 names we both liked, ordered them favorite to least favorite independently, and were both happy to see we had the same name listed as our “most favorite”. The name is Roman. We LOVE the name Roman. So – what’s the dilemma you ask? It’s our last name. Which is Bishop.

Roman Bishop

Our family is fairly traditional, so I wasn’t surprised or bothered when the grandparents (on both sides) scrunched their noses up to the name Roman. They did the same thing with our naming choice of our daughter (sounds like Caden, but with a different spelling), but they’ve learned to love her name just as much as they love her. But – they have pointed out the very thing that is bothering me too – the combo issue. Are we giving our son a name he’ll have to “overcome”??? I don’t want people seeing/hearing his name when he’s older and think that we named him that to be “cute” or “silly”. I’m having such a hard time with this!! He already feels like a Roman to me, so I hate to give the name up. Even our second name choice doesn’t seem to fit as well anymore (our #2 name is Vince).

Ugh – why does this have to be so hard?!

I’m going against the advice of my husband in asking for opinions. He thinks I should stop worrying about what other people think. And, he keeps reminding me that our son will always have the option of going by his middle name (Michael) if he decides he doesn’t want to go by his first. That’s another thing – I personally don’t like the name Michael – but I’m okay with having that as his middle name as a compromise to my husband. So – it would kinda break my heart if our son decided to have that be his primary name. I wish he could talk and tell us his thoughts already on his name! J

Am I overthinking this way too much??

Thanks so much for the help!!

 
As with all such issues, opinions are going to be all over the spectrum. But my opinion is that Roman Bishop is not a workable name. As soon as I saw it, my eyes widened and then sparkled, and there was an audible laugh. Let’s have a poll over to the right to collect the rest of the spectrum. [Poll closed; see results below.]

“Not worrying about what other people think” is a concept more appropriate for moral situations, where we know we’re doing the right thing and so we shouldn’t worry if other people make fun of us for it; it doesn’t apply as well to a name we’re asking someone else to carry. I recommend The Baby Name Wizard‘s test: Would we want to have this name as our own? We all have names we’re unable to use because of our surnames, and I’m afraid this is one of yours. (Others include Deacon, Noble, Skip, Fisher, Phillip.)

I suggest Rowen/Rohen or Ronan. They’re similar to the name you love, and they may still cause a few people to crack jokes, but it’s no longer as blatant. Other possibilities:

Coleman (may be too close to Caden)
Damon (may be too rhymey with Caden)
Eamon (may be too rhymey with Caden)
Redford
Redmond
Reid
Rhys
Roan
Ruben
Ryan
Simon
Tillman
Truman

Roman

 

 

Name update! Ms. Bishop writes:

Again, thanks so much for posting my dilemma.

I’m writing you back to let you know that my husband and I decided to stick with Roman. It was just his name already. That, and my husband was DONE with the naming discussion….

And again – thank you. Although we’re going against the grain here, I still really appreciate you posting this and the feedback received.

Baby Girl Hanson, Sister to Blakely Michelle

Kari writes:

We are trying to come up with a name for our 2nd daughter who is due on Thanksgiving! Our 1st daughter is Blakely Michelle and our last name rhymes with Hanson. Blakely was a family name from my husband’s side of the family that we both loved. I realize it is a unisex name and surname but now I am drawn to names such as Emma, Chloe, Daphne, Calista, Amelia, Aubrey, Evelyn, Lila and Clara. Which I don’t know if they flow nicely with Blakely or sound too different. Calista is at the top of our list right now but worry about the Flockhart association and if it goes with Blakely. We do tend to prefer names that are not too popular (like top 10- even though 2 of our favorites are there). Also, I don’t want another name that has the -ley or -son sound at the end. Also, Blakely is Old English I have been drawn to more English sounding names too. For the middle name we like Jane (after my mom’s middle name) or Kate (we just like it) or Renee (after my sister’s middle name). Another factor is that this baby has been really active and feisty so some of the softer, refined names don’t seem to “fit” her.

Names that we like but can’t use are: Avery, Lillian, Regan, Sadie, Elliot, Olivia, Ivy, Alexis, Addison, Madison.

Names that we talked about but have been ruled out either due to myself or my husband are: Piper, Tatum, Penelope, Phoebe, Kendall, Riley, Bailey, or Taylor.

We originally were told we were having a boy and had so many names options such as Parker, Garrett, Graham, Ethan, Brennan, Andrew, Noah that we LOVED.

I hope you can help us! I am desperate to have a name and get baby things monogrammed and ready for her!

and

Writing again…I think we have narrowed down our name search to two names, Amelia (nn Mia or Millie) and Chloe with Amelia being our #1. However, I am still concerned about it “going” with Blakely and don’t want the sibling names to sound mis-matched? Thoughts?!?!?

Please help!

 
One thing that makes things easier in this situation is that although Blakely has a unisex sound, it’s not particularly unisex in usage: it’s used for approximately ten times as many girls as boys, and similarly girl-heavy names such as Blakelyn and Berkeley make it seem even more on the girl side. If sibling-name coordination is important to you, this leaves you more free to choose from girlish names.

I think if I were you I would aim to match not so much the style (since your style has changed) as the uncommonness. Blakely and Chloe, for example, gives one girl a very unusual name (not even in the Top 1000) and the other girl a very common name (Top 10). Amelia is #41 and making a jump upward each year; I suspect it will soon also be Top 10, or very near it. Calista would be my top choice from your list: Blakely and Calista is a great popularity match: in 2010, 278 new baby girls were named Blakely/Blakely/Blakelee/Blakeleigh, and 412 were named Calista/Callista/Kalista/Kallista. The names are both uncommon but familiar, and I think the Calista Flockheart association, while still present, is significantly weakened. Plus, the name Calista sounds feisty to me.

However, if you do choose Chloe or Amelia, I think it’s common for a firstborn’s name to be a name of significance that doesn’t necessarily coordinate in style with the names of subsequent children. I think the main issue is to make sure that the names don’t seem to communicate different expectations, as if the parents have decided in advance the personality type they’d like each daughter to have (“One tomboy and one little lady, please!” or “One judge and one cheerleader!”). Of the two, I think Blakely and Chloe share more of the same spirit.

If Amelia is your frontrunner but you hesitate because it doesn’t meet some of the preferences you were hoping to meet, one possibility is to use Amelia as a starting point for looking for names that are similar but also feistier and less common. Cordelia. Aurelia. Delia. Amaya. Melina. Emery.

Let’s have a poll over to the right for Chloe and Amelia and “back to the drawing board.” [Poll closed; see results below.]

Blakely

Baby Boy or Girl Hainsworth, Sibling to Mackenzie, Dylan, and Keira

Taylor writes:

My husband and I are due to have our fourth child on November 10th and with only 25 days to go, we are entering panic mode. This baby, gender unknown, will have 3 siblings; Mackenzie Harper (7), Dylan Elliot (4) and Keira Rose (2). Baby naming has always caused me and my husband to clash, but this time it seems to be even worse with our differing name styles, most likely due to the fact that this will be our last child and the gender is unknown.

Names on my List:
BOYS:
Nolan- my top name at the moment, but this changes daily
Connor- not that big on the hard -C sound following Keira

GIRLS:
Delaney- my top (and only) girls name, husband cannot seem to get used to it

Husband’s List:
BOYS:
Jacob- too popular, but he really wants a little “Jake” around the house
Gavin
Ethan
Levi

GIRLS:
Riley- would it be okay to pair this with Dylan, also a unisex name?
Molly
Addison

Middle name will most definitely either be Grace or Elisabeth

Please Help us!

ps. (my name is Taylor “Tay” Hainsworth and my husband is Brendan)

I think Delaney may be too close to Dylan: so many shared letters and sounds, and in fact I think of them as a Kylie/Kyle pairing. Laney or Lainey might work, and maybe your husband would prefer it because it’s more like Riley and Molly. It still shares letters with Dylan (the Laney spelling in particular makes my eyes want to unscramble one name to form the other), but it takes away the shared “dill” sound and that’s a big help. And it’s great with the sister names: Mackenzie, Keira, and Lainey.

If Jacob is too popular but your husband wants to use Jake, Jacoby (juh-KOH-bee) might be perfect. It gives you the nickname Coby, too, as another option.

The repeating endings of Dylan and Nolan might make it clearer that both are boys—or it might seem too matched, I can’t tell. Gavin seems almost perfect: the endings are similar but not exact.

Braden would work, too. Braden Hainsworth; Mackenzie, Dylan, Keira, and Braden.

Or a name like Eamon (AY-mon) would emphasize the Celtic roots of the sibling names. Eamon Hainsworth; Mackenzie, Dylan, Keira, and Eamon.

Ian, too, would be very handsome, and reminds me of Ethan and Levi. Ian Hainsworth.

Opinions will vary wildly, but mine is that in this sibling group I would assume a Riley was a boy. I wouldn’t assume it completely, so it isn’t as if it would be a huge shock to find a female Riley, but it’s so perfect as a brother name for Dylan. In fact, would you consider moving it to your boy name list? Girls Mackenzie and Keira, boys Dylan and Riley.

Riley and Molly make me think of Miley. Miley is all girl, and fits well in style with the sibling names.

Or Piper. It’s drifting more from the sound of Riley, but it shares the style. Piper Hainsworth is adorable.

Or I wonder if you’d like Ellery? I think that’s wonderful with your surname: Ellery Hainsworth.

And that plus Addison from your husband’s list makes me think of Emerson. Emerson Hainsworth; Mackenzie, Dylan, Keira, and Emerson.

Has the Baby Name Dexter Been Ruined By the Show?

Jenny writes:

Could you maybe sometime do a poll about the name Dexter? Is it completely ruined by that show? It would be pretty awful for your kid’s name to make people think of a serial killer. I’m curious as to how main stream is that show. Has everyone heard of it? Do you think even in 10 years, it will still matter?

It’s SUCH a great name. Love the X and the classic feel and the nickname Dex.

Oh, good question! The name Dexter has come up a few times on name lists here, and it seems like most times it’s accompanied by “but—the show” reasons why it can’t be used. Let’s see how prevalent that opinion actually is, with a poll over to the right. [Poll closed; see results below.] I think we can get an idea of how much it’s seeped into the culture by finding out how many people who HAVEN’T seen the show have nevertheless heard of the character Dexter.

Whether it’ll still have that association in a decade is a trickier thing to determine with the poll, but it’ll be fun for the comments section. If someone mentions the names Lorelei/Lorelai or Rory, a lot of us think of Gilmore Girls; but if someone mentions the names Luke or Emily or Logan, it doesn’t necessarily come to mind. It’s the difference between unusual names and ones that are so common their associations have been thoroughly diluted. It’s also the difference between names that come to our attention because of a show, versus names that were already familiar and in regular use. Dexter may fail in this category: it wasn’t common before the show, so few of us have ever known any Dexter except the one on the show, which makes the association strong.

Poll results (529 votes total):

Have watched show; name ruined by it – 69 votes (13%)
Have watched show; name NOT ruined by it – 131 votes (25%)
Have NOT watched show; name ruined by it – 120 votes (23%)
Have NOT watched show; name NOT ruined by it – 209 votes (40%)

Baby Girl Cahnoodson, Sister to Liam Asher

Laura writes:

I have been a regular reader of your blog since I became pregnant with my second child, a girl. I am now 38 weeks along, and a wrench of indeterminate size has been thrown into our baby-naming process.

Background: At least five years ago, my husband and I fell in love with the name Sophie, were we ever to have a daughter. It is the only girl’s name we have ever agreed on. It would have been our 3 yo son Liam’s name if he’d been a girl, without question or hesitation. We like the meaning of the name, and far prefer it to the more popular Sophia, and we think it works nicely as a sib-set with Liam, whose middle name is Asher (our last name sounds like cah-NOOD-son). With this pregnancy I have been considering alternatives, because for some reason I’ve become bored with Sophie. It feels faded to me, like a shade of paint that I don’t love, but now it’s too late and too much work to repaint the room (or something like that.) I considered and liked Alma, Ada, Adelaide, Stella, and Eliza – a derivative of my own middle name, Elizabeth, and also the name of many of my ancestors. My husband only likes Alma from this list (for awhile we had decided on the first/middle Sophie Alma – but that eventually seemed just too old-lady for me and, I thought, not a good match for the more modern-sounding Liam Asher). My husband likes Sierra and Gabriella, neither of which I really like. Just last week it seems, we finally settled once again on Sophie for a first name and my own last name for her middle name (rhymes with Pam). “Settled” being a good word for it….

Wrench: last weekend, my mom – in her mid-60s – announced that she is getting remarried (she and my dad divorced about 1 year ago after a long, long separation). The man she is marrying, whom we have all known for a long time, has a grown-up niece he is extremely close to – named Sophie. He thinks of her like his daughter. While it is unlikely we will interact with his Sophie very much, since she lives across the country, I feel like somehow naming my daughter Sophie is a tribute to him, which is NOT the message I want to send to her or to my dad or to anyone in our family. And even though we have been secretive about our baby name choice, out of the blue my mom suggested Sophie to me a few months ago – which makes me even further not want to use it. Since absolutely nobody saw a marriage proposal coming, including, I think, my mom – I didn’t have to consider this before. Now I feel like just when I had come around to choosing Sophie again, there is a strong reason not to use it. Even my husband said today, “Do you still like the name Eliza for a first name? I guess I could get used to that…”. We have less than 3 weeks before our baby is born. Help! What suggestions do you have for naming our little girl?

Thank you SO much

It’s hard to give up a name you’ve been committed to for so long and start the selection process all over again—but if you were feeling bored with the name, this engagement might be exactly the merciful kick needed to let you start fresh. I definitely don’t think you NEED to start over: I think we could find ways for you to make it clear that this was not a tribute (“Yes, what a funny coincidence! We’ve had this name picked out for years—since way before Liam!”)—but if the problems with the name Sophie have piled up too high now, we are ready to roll up our sleeves and find something new.

I think Eliza is so wonderful, I almost want to leave my sleeves where they are. It’s perfect with Liam. It’s perfect with the middle name. I love the family-name connection. It’s one of my own favorite names: I love how flexible it is, working well for sassy girls or shy girls or smartypants girls or sunshiney girls or goth girls.

Another place to look is other names with the same meaning as Sophie (I’m using the “Intelligence & Wisdom” section of Baby Names Made Easy: The Complete Reverse-Dictionary of Baby Names). Minerva is one of my favorites, and I see Alma on the list. I’m not sure if Liam and Alma share too many letters/sounds—or if that’s the very thing that makes them work together.

Or we can see if we can find something between your list and your husband’s list. You like Stella and he likes Gabriella, so Ella might be a possibility. Liam and Ella.

Or I wonder if you’d like Annabel: it has the -el sound and some of the frilliness of Gabriella, but with Anna to fit it more with Ada and Eliza. Liam and Annabel. I love that almost as much as Eliza.

Or Fiona. Liam and Fiona. Both have a Celtic style and that same I-sound, and the “fee” sound in Fiona is reminiscent of the “fee” sound in Sophie.

Or Isla, or Iris. These remind me a little of Alma, but more current.

I know a sibling set named Liam and Nora and I think it sounds really good together. Very similar styles without seeming over-matched.

Starting with Sierra, but trying to bring it closer to your style: Sabrina. Liam and Sabrina.

Or Clara. Liam and Clara.

Or Cecily. Liam and Cecily.

Starting with Gabriella, but trying to bring it closer to your style: Genevieve. Liam and Genevieve. Evie for short: Liam and Evie.

Or I love Eva anyway, but especially with Liam: Liam and Eva.

Name update! Laura writes:

Hi Swistle – thank you so much for your help and your readers’ advice. Triangulating among many wonderful suggestions (Eliza, Cecily, Sierra, Stella, Ella, Gabriella, Annabel, and Eva, to name a few), our daughter Ellery Sophia “Pam” “Cahnoodson” was born November 18. The name Ellery came to me in a dream when I was first pregnant. I mentioned it to my husband at the time and he was like, what kind of name is that?! I discounted it totally, but mentioned it again when I was 40 wks pregnant and he suddenly liked it for being unique and having a cool meaning, “grove of alder trees”. We kept going back and forth between Ellery and Sophie, Ellery and Sophie, asking a bunch of close friends what they thought, and trying to discern a middle name. Intellectually I had finally settled upon Sophie, but within moments of meeting her, I knew that wasn’t her name! It just didn’t fit! I was in disbelief that meeting the baby would really help us choose, but now I would seriously urge anyone who can’t decide on a name to hold on to the choices, and see what the baby looks like before picking one. It was suddenly so clear…I proposed Ellery Sophia to my husband within 5 minutes of delivery. (I don’t know why, but previously it hadn’t occurred to me we could keep both names if we went with Sophia; Ellery Sophie being too rhymy). Although we didn’t really want to give her four names, we just could not let go of any of them. 24 hours later we shared her name with the world. She is a beautiful and happy girl, and big brother Liam just wants to give her kisses all the time. Her unofficial nickname in the house is “little Elle” and Liam is “big L”. Thanks again!

Baby Girl or Boy Zimmerman

Sara writes:

My husband doesn’t hate my chosen girl name (Norah Anne Zimmermann) but he doesn’t love it. Since I was sixteen or maybe younger (and I’m almost 30 now) this has been what I have wanted to name my little girl, and so this him not liking it is really making me sad. (I chose Norah Anne because Norah is my daddy’s first name abbreviated spelt backwards (his name is Ron) Anne is my mother’s middle name but also his mother’s middle name. Our boy name (we aren’t finding out what we are having) is Jackson James Zimmermann which we both love.) I feel like Norah is already a person to me, MY little girl, and like I’m abandoning her. I mean my heart is really breaking over this. I know that if I got upset/cried over it/pushed a bit I could make him go for it, but then I’d always wonder, our whole lives, if he let me name her Norah because I was being a big baby about it and he secretly hates her name.
His comments about it are wide…one day he’ll say it doesn’t sound like a strong name. The next he’ll say he thinks it sounds too much like, too close too, Noah who is our nephew, which I think it’s a stretch to say they sound the same, I know it’s just one extra letter but I don’t find that similarity to mean we can’t use it. He comes home from work with suggestions so my feeling is he’s really hoping he’ll find a name he likes that I can also like, and that Norah just isn’t doing it for him.
His suggestions:
His number one and what he keeps bringing up is : Brigen (my problem is it’s a place, a holler in our home town to boot(no longer live there), not a name, and I can’t get over how it sounds slangish for Bringing, you know so any middle name you give her sounds like she’s bringing it, you know, Brigen Grace, Brigen Hope …so forth)
Molly (it sounds like a little girls name, but not like a woman’s name)
Sadie (I don’t like the sad in it, and again sounds like a little girls name)
Jessica (Eh,)
Ruby (no)
Ruth (which his big selling point is we could call her Baby Ruth which, I’m sure she’d appreciate that.)
I’ve been trying hard the last week to ditch the name Norah and find something else I like, but everything seems to please me way less than Norah but here’s what I have:
Elery (I like how soft this sounds, but he’d probably buy Norah over this)
Sophia (I like this, but not Sophie, which she’d end up being called I’m sure)
Hannah (I like this but I had a dog named this once, which not sure my child would appreciate that story)
Emma (but it seems, overdone)
Isabella (maybe the same as emma overdone?)
Cora (I like this best but fear I like it best because its so similar to Norah, and if he was to soften to Norah should we have another girl, we couldn’t have a Norah and a Cora)

I feel like we’re in a situation where someone is going to have to fold. I mean, Norah has been such a part of my dreams for years, like I said earlier it’s almost like I’ve dreamed her into existence, and so I feel like I’m grieving this loss. I’ve told him somewhat how much I love the name and that I’ve always thought of it as my daughter’s name, but I haven’t pushed it and I don’t want too. But If he doesn’t start liking it soon, then I’m going to have to give it up, and I don’t want to be looking at my newborn baby and wishing she had a different name. Maybe this baby will be a boy and I’m doing all this worrying for nothing…but.
How would you deal with this issue? Do you have any suggestions of names that I might like as well as Norah? Our baby is due early January.
Thanks

I think the first step is to consciously separate the name from the child. When you say abandoning the name feels like abandoning the child, you’re explaining to us how intensely you feel about the name and the style of intensity it is—but I think it could help to see if you can reason with your feelings. Picture the baby growing inside you, and picture a little slideshow of names going over his or her head, one second each: Liz. Roger. Hailey. Caden. Margaret. Elmer. Bitsy. Ian. Jennifer. Brady. Madison. Liam. April. Elliot. Bianca. Nick. Notice how the curled comfy growing baby stays the same and only the name changes.

We know this is how it is: the baby is who he or she is, and won’t be swapped out for a different baby if you don’t use the name you’d planned to use at age 16. We know that if you are carrying a girl and you abandon the name Norah, the name blows away like a dry leaf but your daughter stays right where she is: you lose the name, but not the child. Some names may feel more like “my baby” than other names, and that’s a good sorting method for finding one’s own naming style—but the baby is your baby either way. And in this case, it sounds like Norah is the name of your little girl where “your” was singular: the dream-baby of a young girl who wasn’t picturing another parent being involved. Now that the other parent has arrived and the baby is more than a dream, it seems appropriate to find a name for your-plural little girl.

It will be difficult to do this if you compare each new possible name candidate to the name Norah. If the name Norah is out of the running for this baby (and it sounds like it is, if your husband doesn’t love it and you don’t want to use it unless he does), your goal is not to find a name you like better than the name Norah, but instead to find the name you like best of the names that remain. (And I think you’re smart to keep in mind that Norah might be a possible sister name later on: Paul was opposed to a name with our first baby, but then he’s the one who chose it for our second baby.)

You came up with Norah by spelling your dad’s name backwards, so you could look for other names that include “nor,” such as Eleanor or Honor or Honora.

Or you could look for names that spell his name forward, such as Bronwyn, Veronica, Rona, Caron, Claron, Heron, Aeron, Cameron. (I prefer this idea, since classically the concept of spelling something backwards has been used to indicate creepy opposition.)

Or, as you say, perhaps this baby will be a boy.

From the candidate list, Brigen reminds me of Bronwyn from the “contains Ron” list, so perhaps Bronwyn would be a good compromise name.

Brigen also reminds me of Megan and Reagan and Bridget and Rowan and Brinley and Brooklyn and Keegan and Teagan and Morgan.

I think Molly does work on grown-ups, but it can also be a nickname for Mary. Or you could use Holly.

If you like Elery and Emma, I wonder if you’d like Emery or Emily or Ella or Hillary.

I also think Lila(h) would be a very good candidate.

Name to Consider: Briar

Meg writes:

So, I’m very early in my pregnancy, however we’re already discussing names. The name that my child’s father is totally stuck on is Briar. I hated it at first (I’m a Jane, Anne, Henry, Nicholas, etc kinda person), but the more I toss it around I’m kinda coming to like it some. I’d love to get your, and your reader’s, opinions. Is this a cute new name that’s kind of “out there” or would we get the same reaction everyone had when Gwyneth Paltrow named her daughter Apple?

The two issues I’ve found so far are the connection to a briar bush, and when said over the phone people can hear “dryer” instead.

Thanks so much!

I can think of two more issues (plus I’d add that it can also sound like “prior” or “Pryor”). One is than when written, it can look like “Brian.” And the second is that if your style tends to be more Jane/Henry, choosing a name outside your usual preferred style for a first child might make you feel locked into finding names outside your preferred style for subsequent children as well. Many people like a name or two in a style category they don’t generally like, but then would be really stuck if they wanted to choose more names from that same category.

I don’t think of it as an Apple-type name, however. I think of it as Unusual Botanical, along with Juniper and Magnolia—not Highly Unusual Botanical with Apple and Spruce. Let’s have a poll over to the right to see what everyone thinks of it. [Poll closed; see results below.]

Poll results (483 votes total) for “What do you think of the name Briar?”:

I love it! I’d use it! – 48 votes (10%)
I like it! I’d consider it! – 107 votes (22%)
I like it for someone else’s baby – 174 votes (36%)
No particular opinion – 33 votes (7%)
Slight dislike – 83 votes (17%)
Strong dislike – 38 votes (8%)

Baby Girl Heintz, Sister to Parker Griffin

Erica writes:

We are pregnant with our 2nd baby on February 13, 2012 – a GIRL, and we are so excited! We live in Portland, Oregon, and we have a 22 month old boy, Parker Griffin Heintz, and this will complete our little family. Now, when I tell you that coming up with Parker’s name was difficult, that will be an understatement. It took MONTHS. I had lots and lots of names that I loved. Logan, Henry, Oliver, Harrison, Jackson, Quentin, the list goes on.

The problem is that my husband (Jordan Gabriel) is a 5th grade teacher. And as a teacher, he has had hundreds of students pass through his classroom, and now associates certain names with certain traits (both positive and negative) that take that name off of the list. He is also extremely sensitive to tease-able names and nicknames. I was given two family names (Erica Joycelyn) after my dad (Eric John), and we’re determined to stay away from family names due to having two sets of divorced/remarried parents and just too many toes to step on there.

We also both agree that we like names that have a positive meaning, and even more so if they are related to nature and/or an actual concrete “thing” that we can put on stationary, stuff like that. So, you see, when I hit on Parker (protector of parks) Griffin (awesome mythical creature), it was perfect. Match that with the fact that miraculously, he had not yet had a Parker in his class… and we have the coolest boy name ever. Whew.

Now we are trying to name our little girl. And so far, things are a little bumpy. We have two names that are close, but something about both of them just isn’t quite right for me (husband really likes both of them, but is open to new suggestions). I have exhausted “Beyond Jennifer, Jason, Madison and Montana”, the Baby Name Finder on babycenter, and just about every other source. We want something a little unusual (also, this helps when trying to avoid the “classroom conundrum” as I call it). The two names we’re looking at:

Claire Finley Heintz
Hadley Grace Heintz

Things I LIKE about them: Finley means sunbeam, and I really love that. I also really like the sound of the “ley” at the end of a name. Hadley starts with an “H” which is something I love love love with our last name (one of my favorite potential names for a boy was Henry Heintz. How CUTE is that??). Grace is just beautiful and I think it is a nice traditional balance with the less common Hadley. I also like that it starts with a “G” like Gabriel (husband’s middle name) and Griffin (Parker’s middle name). Claire is such a pretty name, and I’ve always really liked it.

Things that are holding me back on choosing either of them: Claire seems so serious to me. I don’t know why, it just does. Maybe its the single syllable. I think I’m wanting something a little more sing-songy and I don’t know how else to put it, but friendly. Hadley I really like, but its almost not feminine enough. But its close. So close. And maybe in the end that is what we’ll go with, but there is just something niggling at me that its just not HER name.

So, maybe it will help to know what the other names on our list have been:
Caroline (husband thinks its too formal)
Ellie (husband thinks its too silly)
Lily (name of the daughter of one of his coworkers)
Daphne (no specific objections, he just doesn’t love it)
Piper (this one is his, and I just can’t get on board with it. I think of bagpipers)
Hillary (we both really like this, but feel like its a little too political)
Hailey (this one is close to being a contender)
Elena (husband thinks it sounds too Eastern European, and since we’re not, he thinks it sounds phony)
Maya (see issue with Elena. Same kind of thing)

I just want to find that name that just “clicks” the way that Parker Griffin did. I just have this feeling that we’re so close, but there is something we’re not thinking of. I know you get tons and tons of emails, and I will just cross my fingers that maybe you have some great ideas for us!

Thank you so much!

Name update! Erica writes:

I know this is WAY late, but I wanted to send in my baby name update!  Our sweet girl was born February 18, and we chose to name her Piper Grace.  She is almost 5 months old now, and she is so much fun. We settled on Piper late in the game, after determining that her in-utero energy just wasn’t fitting with Claire or Hadley.  She is such a Piper – the name fits her just perfectly – she is full of smiles and energy and she never ever stops moving.

Thank you so much for your help!

Baby Naming Issue: Okay to Use Part of a Child’s Babyhood Nickname as a Subsequent Child’s Name?

B. writes:

My husband and I are going round and round discussing whether or not it is appropriate to use the name we like for our future son. Our first son had multiple nicknames and was called “Buster Malone” for about the first two years of his life. Malone is not even CLOSE to his real name in style or rhythm and only shares one letter with his real name. Over time that nickname has drifted away and hasn’t been used at all in several years. My husband and I often reminisce about the old nicknames our kids picked up (we’ve had three more kids since then) and we both really want to use Malone for our son to be. But we don’t know if it is appropriate to use one child’s nickname as another child’s name.

Our first son is much older now and does not even remember the nickname. I am not too worried about him being upset if we use it but I worry that if we do name our son Malone he will resent having his name be a hand-me-down from his oldest brother. The likelihood of keeping the origins a secret are next to impossible. All of our kids know where their names came from and the stories behind them are often shared and remembered. What do you think? Is it inappropriate? Am I setting my son up for disappointment because I gave him a “used” name? Or does it not matter at all and I am worrying about it for nothing?

 
My opinion is that Malone is available for use as a name, and that in fact it improves the nickname stories. I’m imagining telling the stories to my own kids, and their faces when I say that Firstborn’s nickname was Malone. To me it doesn’t seem so much a handmedown as an inspiration: that is, that the nickname made you think of the name as an actual name candidate.

Namesake names are not exactly the same situation but have some parallels: it doesn’t diminish the name that someone else had it first, and in fact that is the very thing that improves the name and makes it a candidate to consider. And I don’t know if the dynamics will be the same in your family, but in our household the youngest boy greatly looks up to the oldest boy and would likely be as thrilled to have a name connection as he is when we say “You know who used to wear this shirt? ROB!!”

Let’s have a poll over to the right to see what we think as a group. [Poll closed; see results below.]

Malone

Baby Girl or Boy Con___ly, Sibling to Madison Mae, Logan Clara, and Conor Martin

Lisa writes:

We are due to have our 4th child in two weeks and have yet to come up with a girl name that we can agree on/fall in love with. My husband is of Irish heritage and he really loves Irish type names for girls: Erin, Shannon, Caitlin, Bridget, etc… As the youngest of seven children, his older siblings have already used these Irish type names for their kids. The one name he loves is Maggie, short for Margaret. I’m not in love with it-I hear a ringing of “Maggie Moo” in my head whenever I try to talk myself into liking it. Also, I don’t think an old fashioned name such as Margaret jives with our other children’s names. We have two daughters and a son: Madison Mae(Maddie), Logan Clara, and Conor Martin. All the middle names are family names. I love surnames as first names and unisex names for girls.

I’ve considered:

Finley Holly (Holly is my mom’s name)

Adelaide Elsie (using Adel or Layla for short-hubby is not in love with Adel)

Tobin Holly (Tobin is his grandmother’s maiden name & traveled here from Ireland)

If we have a son, our list includes:

Declan Sean or Patrick

Beckett Sean

Brodie Patrick

Our last name is Irish starting with a Con and ending in an –ly (sounding like lee). I’m desperate for your input and suggestions. I don’t share our list with anyone because I hate the negative associations people love to share, “in fourth grade a girl by that name used to tease me and I’ve hated it ever since”….blah-blah-blah! Thanks so much for your time!!

The name that makes this such an intriguing puzzle is Logan. Madison is an all-girl name in the top ten. Conor is an all-boy name, #30 for boys when spellings are combined. But the name Logan is mostly boy: about 96% of Logans born in 2010 were boys, making it #17 for boys—a rank comparable with Madison’s and Conor’s when used for a boy.

It isn’t that someone would be shocked to find out that a Logan could be a girl (it’s #484 for girls), but they would be statistically more likely to assume boy, and this assumption would be supported by a sibling group where the other children have gender-unambiguous names. As a boy’s name, Logan fits perfectly with Madison and Conor in both style and popularity; as a girl’s name, Logan breaks the style and popularity pattern—and breaks it in a dramatic way. For a comparison in a different style, it would be like a family having an Amanda, a Leslie, and a Jeremy—where Leslie is a boy.

So this presents us with an interesting dilemma: Do we work with the name style you’ve set, which will further isolate Logan’s name by piling up more false evidence that the name is a boy’s name? Or do we add a second startling choice, which will have the counter-intuitive effect of making the sibling group MORE cohesive? A sibling group of Josephine, Kadence, Edward, and Vivian causes Kadence to stand out like a sore thumb; but a sibling group of Josephine, Kadence, Edward, and Riley merely tells us that the family likes a variety of naming styles.

This is more complicated in your case, however, because of the name Logan SEEMING to fit beautifully, until we find out it’s the opposite sex we have been led to expect by the beautiful fit. It’s like trying to find a fourth for Amanda, Leslie, and Jeremy. The first three names SEEM to coordinate beautifully, so adding a Kadence at the end wouldn’t create that mixed-group feeling: it would instead result in two surprises instead of one. I think this is what Margaret is like in your group: it creates a second stand-out choice, instead of helping to unify the group. (Also, Maggie is very close in sound to Maddie.)

From your girl name list, I think Finley works best. One downside of Tobin is that it is currently never given to girls in the United States; it might work better as a candidate for your tradition of family middle names. Adelaide has several downsides: it’s all-girl like Madison, which further isolates Logan; it’s antique-revival rather than modern/surnamey like Madison and Logan; and Addie is a common nickname for it, and you have a Maddie (even if you choose a different nickname, she or her friends may choose Addie later on). Finley seems perfect: it’s given to boys and girls, and so it bridges the gap between Madison and Logan. I hesitate because of the doubled -ly ending with the surname, but because the name Conor doubles the first syllable, I assume it isn’t an issue that bothers you.

Brodie and Beckett both seem like good choices from your boy name list: they’re mostly boy, but given occasionally to girls. In fact, I’d recommend considering both for your girl name list. Madison, Logan, Conor, and Beckett sufficiently neutralizes my assumptions about who’s a boy and who’s a girl.

Another possible option is Braden/Brayden. It’s mostly boy, like Logan and Conor, and it fits with the style of the other names. It would work in this sibling group for either a boy or a girl. (As a girl name, it has the effect of isolating Madison, but I’m less concerned with “the only girl name never mistaken for a boy’s” than I am with “the only girl name continually mistaken for a boy’s”.) Or Hayden would work well. Or Payton/Peyton. Or Greyson/Gracen. Or Morgan, Brennan, Kieran, Rowan, Keegan, Keaton, Quinn, Riley. Any modern and/or surnamey name that works for boys and girls seems like a good option for either a boy or a girl.